Well done MESA BOD!
04-09-2008, 12:24 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by ERJ Driver
[rant=12]
Reeves, I have been away on a crazy trip for a couple of days so I missed your response here. I am always happy to speak my mind. No offense taken!
So, my mindset? Think:
1) Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas ["As your Attorney I advise you to ______"; "Did you see what God just did to us man?" "Can't stop here! This is bat country."]
mixed in with the last 30 min of
2) 2001 [... insanity]
and
3) Walter Sobchak from the Big Lebowski ["I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand dude. ACROSS THIS LINE YOU DO NOT... oh and by the way dude, a marmet in city limits, that isn't legal either." "What, are you Ranger Rick now?"]
Mindset. I am so con-sarn-it fang-a-rangit STRESSED OUT it's driving me up the wall [or out of the walls as Hudson would have it, from Aliens]. But, this is everyone at MAG right now. We are beleaguered on all sides. Other pilots hate us (for all the wrong reasons too), MGT rains holy heck on our parade [but when THEIR contracts get violated, well this is just unacceptable! They're going straight to court, no binding arbitration for them!]. Delta is out for us. Aloha and Hawaiian are out for us. Our leaders are outright prevaricators, and it is all coming to a head right now. Contract rights mean nothing for the pilot group any longer. You just can't understand it man, I am sorry. The only way to really explain it to you is to turn the clock back 5-6 years and have you come work here. You will see AMAZING things: things like crew tracking messing with your reported block times to make you legal to fly; junior assignments up the ying-yang; canceled vacations... CANCELED YO, as in bye bye, to bad so sad; attrition like you would not believe; management pilots trying to make you do stuff that is just plain crazy (like fly through 20 hours of duty time on so-called "part-91" repositions); oh man, I could go on and on and on... What do you really want from me? Mind set? How do I even go there. Think: Animal Farm. 1984. Metamorphosis. Jeckyl and Hyde. Brave New World. And don't even let me get started on stuff we have no control over like Bush's TSA. Oh lordy. Nothing quite like getting stripped down like a GD criminal yo and then 5 min later have access to a crash ax, fire extinguisher and operational control over the aircraft. Wow. Yea, that little metal detector really did a great job "protecting us".
Mindset. Let me see. This country is going crazy. We are living in a cuckoo clock. It's TOTALLY nuts. Ya know, he has his ax to grind, but that Michael Moor dude has some valid critiques. I don't agree with everything he says, but dang. He has some stingers in there.
Mindset? We are all little cogs in a machine that is running at full tilt, it's in the red and important pieces are starting to melt down. Like Vince Vega once said, "I got a threshold, Jules. I got a threshold for the abuse that I will take. Now, right now, I'm a f.in' race car, right, and you got me the red. And I'm just sayin', I'm just sayin' that it's f.in' dangerous to have a race car in the f.in' red. That's all."
So, I'm off to pound down a Mcdonald's burger and puke it back up in the lav. I can only imagine what its like to be a pilot on the street from Aloha, ATA or whomever... Skybus. I guess the ATA guys are going to SouthWest... so I guess I ain't too sad for them. But a friend of a friend said he showed up at the gate for his fancy Skybus job and there was nobody there. "What's up?" "Oh, y'all closed doors." "Ok, can I jumpseat home?" "No, your badge is no longer valid."
So, to sum up my mindset, I would like to provide you with this little bit of my reality:
I'm saving up for the plane ticket home I will have to buy on the day our doors close.
Good luck with that.
[/rant]
Reeves, I have been away on a crazy trip for a couple of days so I missed your response here. I am always happy to speak my mind. No offense taken!
So, my mindset? Think:
1) Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas ["As your Attorney I advise you to ______"; "Did you see what God just did to us man?" "Can't stop here! This is bat country."]
mixed in with the last 30 min of
2) 2001 [... insanity]
and
3) Walter Sobchak from the Big Lebowski ["I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand dude. ACROSS THIS LINE YOU DO NOT... oh and by the way dude, a marmet in city limits, that isn't legal either." "What, are you Ranger Rick now?"]
Mindset. I am so con-sarn-it fang-a-rangit STRESSED OUT it's driving me up the wall [or out of the walls as Hudson would have it, from Aliens]. But, this is everyone at MAG right now. We are beleaguered on all sides. Other pilots hate us (for all the wrong reasons too), MGT rains holy heck on our parade [but when THEIR contracts get violated, well this is just unacceptable! They're going straight to court, no binding arbitration for them!]. Delta is out for us. Aloha and Hawaiian are out for us. Our leaders are outright prevaricators, and it is all coming to a head right now. Contract rights mean nothing for the pilot group any longer. You just can't understand it man, I am sorry. The only way to really explain it to you is to turn the clock back 5-6 years and have you come work here. You will see AMAZING things: things like crew tracking messing with your reported block times to make you legal to fly; junior assignments up the ying-yang; canceled vacations... CANCELED YO, as in bye bye, to bad so sad; attrition like you would not believe; management pilots trying to make you do stuff that is just plain crazy (like fly through 20 hours of duty time on so-called "part-91" repositions); oh man, I could go on and on and on... What do you really want from me? Mind set? How do I even go there. Think: Animal Farm. 1984. Metamorphosis. Jeckyl and Hyde. Brave New World. And don't even let me get started on stuff we have no control over like Bush's TSA. Oh lordy. Nothing quite like getting stripped down like a GD criminal yo and then 5 min later have access to a crash ax, fire extinguisher and operational control over the aircraft. Wow. Yea, that little metal detector really did a great job "protecting us".
Mindset. Let me see. This country is going crazy. We are living in a cuckoo clock. It's TOTALLY nuts. Ya know, he has his ax to grind, but that Michael Moor dude has some valid critiques. I don't agree with everything he says, but dang. He has some stingers in there.
Mindset? We are all little cogs in a machine that is running at full tilt, it's in the red and important pieces are starting to melt down. Like Vince Vega once said, "I got a threshold, Jules. I got a threshold for the abuse that I will take. Now, right now, I'm a f.in' race car, right, and you got me the red. And I'm just sayin', I'm just sayin' that it's f.in' dangerous to have a race car in the f.in' red. That's all."
So, I'm off to pound down a Mcdonald's burger and puke it back up in the lav. I can only imagine what its like to be a pilot on the street from Aloha, ATA or whomever... Skybus. I guess the ATA guys are going to SouthWest... so I guess I ain't too sad for them. But a friend of a friend said he showed up at the gate for his fancy Skybus job and there was nobody there. "What's up?" "Oh, y'all closed doors." "Ok, can I jumpseat home?" "No, your badge is no longer valid."
So, to sum up my mindset, I would like to provide you with this little bit of my reality:
I'm saving up for the plane ticket home I will have to buy on the day our doors close.
Good luck with that.
[/rant]
I have been thinking of an adquate response all afternoon. I have unable to think of anything to say to that.
I will say that I feel a little guilty asking the question in the first place. I did think ahead about what I was asking. I did not mean for you to cotinue to relive your experinces just because I asked. I feel like I am better informed on the situation, and continue to read on it every day, but at what price is this information worth. I just do not like hearing someone with the overtones of dispear and frustration. Maybe in the future from here on out this will bring some of us back down to human status that this can happen to anyone. This includes me as well.
Again I would like to appoligize for you pain and frustration that you get from Mesa, and making you relive that experince here on APC.
Reeves
04-09-2008, 07:14 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
hahahaha love it. The dude do you work at RAH? Under the radar seems to be something they preached during IOE lol.
ERJ Driver, I'm kind of left speechless after your post as well. I got in the hotel van the other day and there was another crew in the van already, I assumed they were Skywest as they overnight in most of the cities we do. When I asked the crew they just kind of looked at one another and then the captain reluctantly said "no... Mesa." I guess what I'm getting at is that I think most of us here agree that while we despise your management, we don't feel that way towards the pilot group.
04-09-2008, 07:45 PM
#25
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Posts: 137
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Nah, I'm at Horizon. Just trying to stay under the radar through probation.
ERJ Driver, I'm kind of left speechless after your post as well. I got in the hotel van the other day and there was another crew in the van already, I assumed they were Skywest as they overnight in most of the cities we do. When I asked the crew they just kind of looked at one another and then the captain reluctantly said "no... Mesa." I guess what I'm getting at is that I think most of us here agree that while we despise your management, we don't feel that way towards the pilot group.
ERJ Driver, I'm kind of left speechless after your post as well. I got in the hotel van the other day and there was another crew in the van already, I assumed they were Skywest as they overnight in most of the cities we do. When I asked the crew they just kind of looked at one another and then the captain reluctantly said "no... Mesa." I guess what I'm getting at is that I think most of us here agree that while we despise your management, we don't feel that way towards the pilot group.
although i never lie or stumble when someone asks me who I fly for, I always say Mesa. I made the choice to come here and even though it was a horrible choice some 3 yrs ago...i live with my decisions and do my best to better this place (even though it wont be around much longer). It is nice and mature of most of you to realize that it is indeed our management that is horrible and must go...but unfortunatley the VAST majority of regional pilots beg to differ and take their grudges out on us every day in forms of blocking our times when we call ops out of JFK (guess who does that one) or when i try to commute home and the entire flight i get crap from the pilots.....trust us, we know it sucks, and we are ALL trying to fix it or burn it.
04-09-2008, 08:10 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,750
Originally Posted by ERJdude
although i never lie or stumble when someone asks me who I fly for, I always say Mesa. I made the choice to come here and even though it was a horrible choice some 3 yrs ago...i live with my decisions and do my best to better this place (even though it wont be around much longer). It is nice and mature of most of you to realize that it is indeed our management that is horrible and must go...but unfortunatley the VAST majority of regional pilots beg to differ and take their grudges out on us every day in forms of blocking our times when we call ops out of JFK (guess who does that one) or when i try to commute home and the entire flight i get crap from the pilots.....trust us, we know it sucks, and we are ALL trying to fix it or burn it.
I will always take a Mesa pilot on my jumpseat because they have always taken me. I have been pleasantly surprised when I have flown on Mesa on the jumpseat and in the cabin (many times) at how well it turned out in spite of the management. Speaks volumes of the folks who work there. Some misfits*, but misfits who do a good job IMHO. Good luck.
* I count myself as a misfit, so don't take it the wrong way!
04-10-2008, 10:15 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Heavies
Posts: 1,414
Originally Posted by ERJdude
although i never lie or stumble when someone asks me who I fly for, I always say Mesa. I made the choice to come here and even though it was a horrible choice some 3 yrs ago...i live with my decisions and do my best to better this place (even though it wont be around much longer). It is nice and mature of most of you to realize that it is indeed our management that is horrible and must go...but unfortunatley the VAST majority of regional pilots beg to differ and take their grudges out on us every day in forms of blocking our times when we call ops out of JFK (guess who does that one) or when i try to commute home and the entire flight i get crap from the pilots.....trust us, we know it sucks, and we are ALL trying to fix it or burn it.
04-10-2008, 10:21 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by 577nitro
Down to .86........how much longer can they hold out?
Has anyone been watching thier bonds? From what limited understanding that I have the stock market. I thought bond holders will get some moeny in they go BK. It just might be pennies on the dollar in the end but it is better than owning stocks.
So I wonder if stock is selling and bonds are buying. i am sure I am way off base here
Reeves
04-10-2008, 10:40 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by reevesofskyking
For as long as the shareholders either think the have a reason to hope for the future, or till the come to the realization thats its time to get their losses.
Has anyone been watching thier bonds? From what limited understanding that I have the stock market. I thought bond holders will get some moeny in they go BK. It just might be pennies on the dollar in the end but it is better than owning stocks.
So I wonder if stock is selling and bonds are buying. i am sure I am way off base here
Reeves
Has anyone been watching thier bonds? From what limited understanding that I have the stock market. I thought bond holders will get some moeny in they go BK. It just might be pennies on the dollar in the end but it is better than owning stocks.
So I wonder if stock is selling and bonds are buying. i am sure I am way off base here
Reeves
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