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02-27-2006 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
Albeit, we all come out of the shop with hardly any real world experience compared to all the pilots out there, but that doesn't necessarily make us bad pilots or bad people. Just inexperienced.
Alright, the real difference with the "other guys" is that although they didn't know anymore than you PFT type's when they finished, they didn't go take 50 - 90 lives at a time into their hands at over 400 knots. If a captain on one of these flights was to become incapacitated with a malfunction of almost an major system (especially the autopilot) there would be a need for at least that many body bags...If there is enough left for even that.
These "other guys" are those that realized how little they really knew at the minimum time to be a commercial pilot. They are a few of the lucky that found out that most of the learning begins when they took the left seat and 1 life at a time into their hands on daily basis. This environment, although challenging provides a continually safe environement to FINISH their learning process.
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Alright, the real difference with the "other guys" is that although they didn't know anymore than you PFT type's when they finished, they didn't go take 50 - 90 lives at a time into their hands at over 400 knots. If a captain on one of these flights was to become incapacitated with a malfunction of almost an major system (especially the autopilot) there would be a need for at least that many body bags...If there is enough left for even that.
These "other guys" are those that realized how little they really knew at the minimum time to be a commercial pilot. They are a few of the lucky that found out that most of the learning begins when they took the left seat and 1 life at a time into their hands on daily basis. This environment, although challenging provides a continually safe environement to FINISH their learning process.
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02-27-2006 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeshmoe
So whats the answer? Keep new hires in a sim until they reach enough hours to be considered "safe" in case the captain becomes incapacitated? I have seen plenty of instructors in numerous venues getting regional jobs with their 2000TT with ZERO knowledge of how to even start the engines on an RJ. Are they really that much safer with their 2000TT in a 172 if they happen to have a captain who has become incapacitated? Don't kid yourself. Would I feel comfortable putting my family on an RJ with a 300TT F/O? No. Would I feel comfortable putting my family on an RJ with 2000TT in 172's F/O? No.
Bottom line, I would rather fly next to (or as a passenger with) the 2000 hour CFI who knows how to handle himself in a tough spot. That 300 hour guy may know all there is to know about starting the engines on his shiny RJ but I don't want to be around when things are going from bad to worse and hes sitting over there in the right seat wishing he'd worn his brown underwear.
PS Learning how to operate the airplane is why airlines send you to 6-8 weeks of training.
02-27-2006 | 08:28 PM
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That was my mistake I meant to say right seat, but i spent alot of my instructional career in the left. Ok, here we go again. That poor cfi with several thousand hours might not be able to start the engine when he first sits down, but with about 2 minutes of instruction and a checklist, the master of the learning process will be able to start your shiny CRJ and your 300 hour PFT'er is still asking the captain how to fly an approach. No offense to the 300 hour guys but I know of a couple of times I scared myself at 300 hrs, and that was clipping along at 80 knots in a skyhawk. If those guys out there in this situation don't at least feel a little humbled by their lack of knowledge, then their just plain arogant/stupid.
I have spent the last 3000 hours instructing, BY CHOICE! Oh but you ask did you have enough multi to get a job? About 1300 of it is PIC turbine multi. So the answer is YES! I took this path because I enjoyed it and found it very benefitial....also had some dilusions that I might actually get to work for a better company with more flight time. That aside I DIDN"T pay for training (Except ratings at 141 school) and I actually started my private about 7 months AFTER 9/11. So thinking that instructing is going to take too much of your life is untrue. Maybe if these people put as much into looking for a good instructors job as they did trying to circumvent the airlines hiring process they too might find themselves a job that payed more than 16 a year to start. Instructing might require long hours of not getting paid while on the ground but HELLO what do you think your gonna be doing after you park that RJ?
Well before I manage to get my blood pressure up over this use less debate again.
I have spent the last 3000 hours instructing, BY CHOICE! Oh but you ask did you have enough multi to get a job? About 1300 of it is PIC turbine multi. So the answer is YES! I took this path because I enjoyed it and found it very benefitial....also had some dilusions that I might actually get to work for a better company with more flight time. That aside I DIDN"T pay for training (Except ratings at 141 school) and I actually started my private about 7 months AFTER 9/11. So thinking that instructing is going to take too much of your life is untrue. Maybe if these people put as much into looking for a good instructors job as they did trying to circumvent the airlines hiring process they too might find themselves a job that payed more than 16 a year to start. Instructing might require long hours of not getting paid while on the ground but HELLO what do you think your gonna be doing after you park that RJ?
Well before I manage to get my blood pressure up over this use less debate again.
02-27-2006 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
That was my mistake I meant to say right seat, but i spent alot of my instructional career in the left. Ok, here we go again. That poor cfi with several thousand hours might not be able to start the engine when he first sits down, but with about 2 minutes of instruction and a checklist, the master of the learning process will be able to start your shiny CRJ and your 300 hour PFT'er is still asking the captain how to fly an approach. No offense to the 300 hour guys but I know of a couple of times I scared myself at 300 hrs, and that was clipping along at 80 knots in a skyhawk. If those guys out there in this situation don't at least feel a little humbled by their lack of knowledge, then their just plain arogant/stupid.
I have spent the last 3000 hours instructing, BY CHOICE! Oh but you ask did you have enough multi to get a job? About 1300 of it is PIC turbine multi. So the answer is YES! I took this path because I enjoyed it and found it very benefitial....also had some dilusions that I might actually get to work for a better company with more flight time. That aside I DIDN"T pay for training (Except ratings at 141 school) and I actually started my private about 7 months AFTER 9/11. So thinking that instructing is going to take too much of your life is untrue. Maybe if these people put as much into looking for a good instructors job as they did trying to circumvent the airlines hiring process they too might find themselves a job that payed more than 16 a year to start. Instructing might require long hours of not getting paid while on the ground but HELLO what do you think your gonna be doing after you park that RJ?
Well before I manage to get my blood pressure up over this use less debate again.
I have spent the last 3000 hours instructing, BY CHOICE! Oh but you ask did you have enough multi to get a job? About 1300 of it is PIC turbine multi. So the answer is YES! I took this path because I enjoyed it and found it very benefitial....also had some dilusions that I might actually get to work for a better company with more flight time. That aside I DIDN"T pay for training (Except ratings at 141 school) and I actually started my private about 7 months AFTER 9/11. So thinking that instructing is going to take too much of your life is untrue. Maybe if these people put as much into looking for a good instructors job as they did trying to circumvent the airlines hiring process they too might find themselves a job that payed more than 16 a year to start. Instructing might require long hours of not getting paid while on the ground but HELLO what do you think your gonna be doing after you park that RJ?
Well before I manage to get my blood pressure up over this use less debate again.
02-28-2006 | 02:01 PM
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From: ERJ-145 FO
So if Mesa airlines is operating so unsafely, why aren't people trotting out a horrendous safety record to support their case? They've been in business 24 years, surely that's long enough for the chickens to come home to roost, is it not?
02-28-2006 | 02:43 PM
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From: ERJ-145 FO
Originally Posted by Hobbs
Really? I assumed that they would do things pretty much the same. They don't tell us much about Farmington. . Have you gotten to go in the CRJ sim yet? Sometimes they let our instrucors ride along and apparently you can hardly tell it's not real. I'm pretty jacked to get to do that even though its a couple years off. There doesn't seem to be too much respect for MPD guys around here. But after hearing about those two dip ****s at Pinacle who thought their CRJ 200 was an F-16 and augered it into the ground, I cant blame them. But on the other hand, they make it sound as if you make it through and can manage to button your shirt up and tie your shoes you get the job. Only a few guys make it each year. And of the people who do interview each year, a lot are the instructors who have come from other schools like UND and taught for a year. But about the whole pay thing were new pilots are driving down pay. I thought that unions were suposed to make sure that kind of thing didn't happen? I am young and niave though I long to be as cynical as the older pilots.
03-01-2006 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by stanrhintx
I got put on the ERJ. Sim starts March 12.
03-01-2006 | 11:39 PM
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How is the vibe towards MAPD graduates at MESA? Do they give them a hard time? Also I'm guessing you have to be a F/O at least 2 years before thinking about moving to Captain right? What's the hour requirement to be a captain?
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