A Question for you ATC folks...
11-22-2008, 10:25 AM
#51
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As far as the whole "with you" thing, I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be. What does ATC think about it? I prefer to say, "Los Angeles Center, 12345, 5,000 CLIMBING, 10,000. Not 5,000 for 10,000. I have heard that exact call been mistaken as 14,000. The To's and For's are far worse than "with you". But if ATC doesn't mind, why should we?
11-22-2008, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
As far as the whole "with you" thing, I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be. What does ATC think about it? I prefer to say, "Los Angeles Center, 12345, 5,000 CLIMBING, 10,000. Not 5,000 for 10,000. I have heard that exact call been mistaken as 14,000. The To's and For's are far worse than "with you". But if ATC doesn't mind, why should we?
It is, but you are just a CFI, that is ok. Someday, you will get your big boy pants too, from M&H.
11-22-2008, 11:03 AM
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I've never thought "with you" was an issue. What's it going to be mistaken for? I guess it's extra, unnecessary words but so is "good morning" and the like. As for me, I generally used to check on by saying something like "good morning center, Waterski XXXX, FL250."
As for climbs and descents, I always use the "current altitude, climbing/descending, assigned altitude." I can't stand it when people say "for" along with a bunch of other numbers. That said, do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody and aren't clogging up the radio (unless you're purposely blocking a GJ call).
As for climbs and descents, I always use the "current altitude, climbing/descending, assigned altitude." I can't stand it when people say "for" along with a bunch of other numbers. That said, do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody and aren't clogging up the radio (unless you're purposely blocking a GJ call).
11-22-2008, 11:38 AM
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I've heard some people go crazy over the "with you" call. Some people just have it out for certain calls. As for climbing and descending calls - I usually just tell ATC where I'm going to (unless they ask) and if there is an intermediate level-off I'll add "looking higher". Sometimes I even have a student use the VHF freqs just to listen to other comm. I enjoy hearing what other people use and like/dislike and I'd especially like hearing form the ATCers out there and give us your thoughts.
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11-22-2008, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I've heard some people go crazy over the "with you" call. Some people just have it out for certain calls.
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Well, I'm whicha too!!!
Then 20 questions. What altitude are you at? (ATC is required to verify that mode C is within 300 feet of assigned alitude between facilities). Do you have the ATIS? What altitude are you climbing / descending to, etc?
Definitely gets old when you do it everyday....
11-22-2008, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
And for the love of God, Allah, Buddah, and 8lb 6oz Baby Jesus will people PLEASE quit saying "Instruments to" or "IFR to" when getting a clearance for your 121 flight?!?
"ABC Dept, XXX 123 with you at 4,500ft climbing to 10,000ft and our heading is 270"
TOO MANY WORDS
11-22-2008, 07:34 PM
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I used to remember flying into and out of JFK back in the late 80's/early 90's. A few of the controllers were friends of mine and I always got a kick out of them "teasing" the pilots. One of the better ones was when a plane was ready to taxi and called with the "atis". They'd ask which "atis" they had and if they were lucky and guessed it correctly, they'd ask what the winds or altimeter was "just to be sure" whether they really had it or were just pulling their leg. You could always hear the laughter in their voices. Good people up there!! 
11-22-2008, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
I admit to being a "whicha" nazi. Typically, it was, "MegaCenter, BigIron 123, we're whicha."
Well, I'm whicha too!!!
Then 20 questions. What altitude are you at? (ATC is required to verify that mode C is within 300 feet of assigned alitude between facilities). Do you have the ATIS? What altitude are you climbing / descending to, etc?
Definitely gets old when you do it everyday....
Well, I'm whicha too!!!
Then 20 questions. What altitude are you at? (ATC is required to verify that mode C is within 300 feet of assigned alitude between facilities). Do you have the ATIS? What altitude are you climbing / descending to, etc?
Definitely gets old when you do it everyday....
I don't say it myself but it doesn't necessarily get my blood boiling to hear others use it.
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11-22-2008, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
I used to remember flying into and out of JFK back in the late 80's/early 90's. A few of the controllers were friends of mine and I always got a kick out of them "teasing" the pilots. One of the better ones was when a plane was ready to taxi and called with the "atis". They'd ask which "atis" they had and if they were lucky and guessed it correctly, they'd ask what the winds or altimeter was "just to be sure" whether they really had it or were just pulling their leg. You could always hear the laughter in their voices. Good people up there!!
When working tower, we would sometimes ask the oriental airlines to report "outer marker inbound." This was obviously unnecessary due to the fact that we had them on RADAR, but we loved to hear them say it. So we would then put the tower frequency in speaker so that everyone present could enjoy the fun!
11-22-2008, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Are you saying that "with you" (or "whicha") is the ONLY thing that they say when they check in?
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So, even the ones who say "whicha at two five oh", still kinda grated on me. But then just saying "two five oh" did, too. 250 kts? 250 heading? 250 gallons of gas?
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