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Old 05-08-2008 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
I wouldn't worry about it because it's gone. just ask yourself what delta management learned from the comair strike and what they did after it was over to prevent it from happening again.
Don't worry about it? Then why did you bring it up? I'm just trying to figure out what exactly you are eluding to. Just say it. Keep in mind that the XJT/CAL CPA was written by CAL when they still owned XJT. And by the way, during those days, it was the IACP on the property, not ALPA.

I could be wrong but I have a feeling you don't really know what you are talking about.
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Old 05-09-2008 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bond
Not before they (Delta) took a $55 million loss. Do you really think CAL or any other airline is in a position to gamble? And that was with roughly 100+ frames, we have 205 with CAL. Never ceases to amaze me how folks here fail to see the big picture.
so delta took a $55 million loss from the comair strike? (100 airplanes) that's what you're saying right...

what would the effect of 275 have vs 206 vs 155? what's the effect with all regional flights at the hubs vs only partial regional flights? In 3 more years how many more planes can be up for bid?
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Old 05-09-2008 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
so delta took a $55 million loss from the comair strike? (100 airplanes) that's what you're saying right...

what would the effect of 275 have vs 206 vs 155? what's the effect with all regional flights at the hubs vs only partial regional flights? In 3 more years how many more planes can be up for bid?
You missed the point, the Majors are not in a position to gamble right now. So keeping the status quo is in their best interest.
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Old 05-09-2008 | 05:15 PM
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actually delta lost 800 million on that comair strike
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Old 05-09-2008 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Confused
actually delta lost 800 million on that comair strike
Long term yes, you're absolutely right. However their short term loss was approx. $55 million, but you definetely reinforced my point.
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Old 05-10-2008 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond
You missed the point, the Majors are not in a position to gamble right now. So keeping the status quo is in their best interest.
and what position was CAL in over 3 years ago??? it definately wasn't better than now. I think you are missing the big picture here. CAL management has stated several times that they want at least 3-4 airlines doing the regional flying. they don't care about keeping the status quo. they want to change the status quo. my buddy's uses to say that CAL created expressjet into the best regional out their (for CAL) so why would they screw that up and take planes away. they never believed cal would even take the first 69. they thought it was some sort of bluff. oops...
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Old 05-10-2008 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
Skywest to buy the CHQ certificate from RAH. How is that for speculation?
Even more out there. If MESA ends up going down, or having a fire sale, there may be some airframes out there on the market cheap. AND a need to operate not all but some of those aircraft. That is, if for some reason ERJ's get set loose and not CRJs.

How is that for EVEN more speculation?
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Old 05-10-2008 | 07:14 PM
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XJT could be stalling simply to explore other options. I have no doubt that RAH is at least looking at the situation. BB would like nothing more than to get 170/175s on property with CAL and with the language in the XJT email makes it look like a possibility. The way these companies seem to work is a "shock and awe" tactic. They just come out of left field with a hard lined offer. I wouldn't be surprised if RJET places one themselves. I'd expect XJT to start a bidding war if anything to simply up the offer price. RAH wants the XJT flying and the 10yr contract with an extension to 15yrs for any new aircraft, possibly Ejets, is something they'd be interested in. Especially with Frontier flying gone. I don't see CAL wanting the 700s.

There's my speculation.... and the winner is?
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Old 05-10-2008 | 07:29 PM
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I don't think CAL will relax their scope. Furthermore i don't think RAH would benefit from buying XJT's aging 50 seat A/C and a possibly lapsing contract with CAL. It seems the benefits SKW sees in XJT have to to with some future contract they have with CAL
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Old 05-10-2008 | 08:34 PM
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Jerry is seeing our 50-seaters sitting around SLC. There is no way he'd go out and buy nearly 300 more unless he had a damn good reason to.
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