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Old 05-07-2008 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
exactly so what the he** is everyone talking about in saying SKW could have this training program and "aircraft flying" within 6 months? Even if SKW didn't buy XJT and got their flying, the transition wouldn't even START to occur for another year and a half....so please tell me what are you talking about?
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Old 05-07-2008 | 05:48 PM
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Negotiation tactic....geez Jerry, I'm really scared for my job.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 05:55 PM
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Why would SkyWest already send people to learn about the ERJ if it is just a negotiating tactic? I am pretty sure that they already have begun the process, and I assume that it costs money to get the certification for the 145?
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Old 05-07-2008 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
exactly so what the he** is everyone talking about in saying SKW could have this training program and "aircraft flying" within 6 months? Even if SKW didn't buy XJT and got their flying, the transition wouldn't even START to occur for another year and a half....so please tell me what are you talking about?
the reason i started this thread is because the news came out that skywest was going to the faa for authorization to operate the erj-145. skywest didn't say why or for whom. i started the thread to see if anyone had any insight on what might be the reasons behind this move. most of the guesses have been that it has something to do with expressjet. i, personally, find that hard to believe because of timing, etc. i think that something else must be in the works by skywest. our management are always looking at many opportunities at once.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJ1000
Wouldn’t SKW just merge the lists and then use the existing training from Express Jet?
For you Mesa / Eagle guys…what is the transition like from the CRJ to the ERJ? Is it a full ground school, or is it and the sim shortened?
I sure do miss my 140 knot DV window, the overhead escape hatch is not the best HAHA…THX
SKW would not merge the lists...they would have not gone to all that trouble to fight off alpa and keep ASA seperate if that was an option. Not so much out of concern for the pilot situation, but because the company has portrayed a certain philosophy to their other employees, and would not want to do a 180 on that.

CRJ/ERJ transition would be a full training program...they are not the same type.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
exactly so what the he** is everyone talking about in saying SKW could have this training program and "aircraft flying" within 6 months? Even if SKW didn't buy XJT and got their flying, the transition wouldn't even START to occur for another year and a half....so please tell me what are you talking about?
That's what we'd all like to know...

They have apparently received FAA authorization to operate the type, and are spooling up a training program....this has gone beyond hypothetical.

XJT? Or something else?
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Old 05-07-2008 | 07:02 PM
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It certainly better not be for XJT planes. If we are bought, wherever ever those airframes go, XJT pilots go with them.
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Old 05-07-2008 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
yea I know what the union can and cannot fight for...and when you fight you need leverage and expressjet signed that away.

I wasn't even talking about the Q's.

what was alpa's position when express was furloughing while skywest was getting the 120's that express used to fly just a few months before that? whether they could or couldn't legally fight it, what was their position? what was their position when commute air moved into cleveland? their position was oh well lets try and get commute air and skywest to become alpa. sad but that's all they cared about.
What exactly did XJT sign away?

There are lots of pilots at XJT now that think XJT should be doing TP flying. ALPA doesn't make the business decisions for management. Management decided to go to a single fleet type, not the pilots.

ALPA would've tried to organize CommutAir and Skywest regardless.

Originally Posted by Koolaidman
Why would SkyWest already send people to learn about the ERJ if it is just a negotiating tactic? I am pretty sure that they already have begun the process, and I assume that it costs money to get the certification for the 145?
Sometimes negotiating tactics cost money. Its could very well be seen as a small investment, to gain leverage, for a possible big return on that investment.

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SKW would not merge the lists...they would have not gone to all that trouble to fight off alpa and keep ASA seperate if that was an option. Not so much out of concern for the pilot situation, but because the company has portrayed a certain philosophy to their other employees, and would not want to do a 180 on that.
Anything is possible for the right price. I kid, I kid.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
What exactly did XJT sign away?

There are lots of pilots at XJT now that think XJT should be doing TP flying. ALPA doesn't make the business decisions for management. Management decided to go to a single fleet type, not the pilots.

ALPA would've tried to organize CommutAir and Skywest regardless.

XJT signed away their leverage.

ALPA may not make business decisions but they have a responsibility for job protection and that is something they are failing at miserably. Come to think of it I would consider scope language as kind of a decision making for management. otherwise I bet management would be looking for someone to fly boeings and airbus' cheaper.


I agree ALPA would try and organize commutair and skywest. I just find it funny that while expressjet is loosing flying to non union carriers (and doing absolutely nothing about it) that they would try and court those pilots.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flyfresno
I wonder how many SKW pilots would bid to transition to the 145...I'm guessing the bases would be IAH and maybe EWR.

Boatloads of guys that don't want to be on reserve anymore.
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