I just heard 80 from one of the downgraded Captains as well.

guess i should start fillin out those law school apps.

I hope we are safe.

seeing as I'm only 20 some odd numbers above the junior most FO... is anyone else hiring?

The guys in the April class are just getting through the oral right now. I have a bud who was supposed to take his this afternoon with SW but it was pushed back to tomorrow with DC.

I hope they make it through and this F thing doesnt happen!

Guys, this is just the tip of the "proverbial iceberg" I think we will see a lot of FURLOUGHS come FALL, especially at the MAJOR level

Damn guys. What is the reasoning for this?

I agree with SAAB. I think it's going to be a rough summer.

I'm just gonna take my life savings, and put as much as i can on margin into Oil, seeing that's what's going to rape us beyond belief

jesus... This is not good... And I thought we'd just gotten a whole bunch of new flying, too...

we did

i'm assuming we're losing US Airways? That's about 1800 hours of flying on 6 jets right there

yeah I heard we're losing US Airways flying in a couple of months... and how on earth is GJ still hiring?

I do not think we have lost any flying.
I am going to sit on the over reaction idea for a day or two more and see what develops. If we do not hear anything tomorrow, then we get denial for the weekend

Reeves

People never stop leaving, they cannot get them to stay around long enough to barley learn the flows. Just a guess

yeah... that makes sense... just ain't fair...

Too bad we weren't all working for Skywest. I heard when they cancel classes or downgrade you, they buy you an Escalade, and as a bonus for graduating in the top 80%, they throw in 22" rims

I hear the top 10% get 24's....

sorry to hear the news bros. i was at tsa and was one of the ca downgrades when they did it the first time around a few years ago. that sucked hard. when they did it then, we downgraded about 25 of us captains and furloughed 60ish first officers. total dowgraded time was approximately 6 months. no training was required to fly the right seat. if you had taken an fo checkride within the last 12 months, you are good to fly the right seat. you'll be trimming with your left thumb with no success and also forget to set t/o flaps, but you'll get used to it quick. good luck to all.

ps. DO NOT PICK UP OPEN TIME CAPTAINS & FOs. FLY YOUR CONTRACT.

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ps. DO NOT PICK UP OPEN TIME CAPTAINS & FOs. FLY YOUR CONTRACT.[/QUOTE]

Absolute most important statement in this entire thread. They play the game and now is the time for you to play it too. And by the way why is Gojets still posted on this website, I thought this place was supposed to promote bettering our profession?

I had to come out of hiding for this one....
Is this comment really necessary?

i just found out that if you have an undergrad degree with a gpa of 3.0 or better and get a halfway decent score on the lsat you'd have no problem getting into law school.

Thats a "JOB ACTION" and its illegal,. even though it is your contractual right not to pick up open time.................You can thank the Railway Labor Act, and your current administration :)

Back to GTA 4.........

ahhh Saab,

GTA 4 is a great way to get that anger out of your body;)

there is no way for you to prove if it is a job action or me being lazy. The ones that know me would always bet on lazy

Reeves

I have to agree really great advice, but what do I tell my good friend that upgraded 5 months ago just bought a house and a brand new car for himself and the wifey. I saw him at the liquor store last night and he wasn't looking too well. FO pay without extra flying or a second job will not cut it.

Good luckto all of us.

Tell him he's a dumbass. I just upgraded and bought a house, so I can sympathize, but even so the payment was only about $150/month more than I was paying for rent. Still driving the 10+ year old cars.


Agreed. If I don't lose my job I'm going to feel extremely fortunate. I can only hope the government will step in to help the airlines, they are vital to our national security and infrastructure.

Tell that to the guys on the street who have nothing. If they have to start cancelling flying like they did last time because they don't have staff, it's going to be really clear that they shouldn't have done a typical knee-jerk reaction that TSA is known for.

All the more reason to be responsible when you upgrade.

They did that once already. Don't think it'll happen again. Plus, the turmoil now is in the regional sector. The legacies already went through this post 9/11. There isn't one regional carrier that is vital to National Security and infastructure. Any regional can be replaced with another on short notice, and it is already happening. There are just too many vying to provide lift for the mainlines and they will undercut each other. Lowest operator wins. Sorry for the bad news. Now, if you're talking about AA or UAL going TU, that's another story altogether. That's where your NS and infastucture comes into play.

This probably won't be a popular post but I don't think we'll see as many furloughs at the regional and legacy level as many of you are thinking of and here are my reasons why.

First off we need to take into consideration the regional/major airlines that are going/have gone down. The industry could only support "X" amount of pilots in the current market. At least with the way business is being done. So far we've already seen thousands of pilots have the doors closed in their faces. We've had Skybus, ATA, EOS, Skyway, etc. already close up shop. Currently on the chopping blocks are Mesa and XJT though two completely different setups. With the closure of Mesa and the expected 700 furloughs as XJT that is another 1300ish pilots who are unfortunately released from their jobs.

All together that is a lot of business already sitting on the streets. Midwest is expected to follow shortly which could add additional relief to the industry, *note* that I'm not talking about the pilots but the industry.

With Mesa gone there's more UAL flying. XJT brings CAL flying, possibly DAL, with Skybus and ATA gone and possibly Midwest on it's way I feel we'll actually see growth at the regional level and possibly even on the major level. I feel the worst has passed on the Legacy level. It will just take a little time to filter through the system. New routes have to be analyzed, more efficient aircraft added to fleets, etc. The DAL/NWA merger is a great big step in the right direction as far as the grand scheme of things goes. There is still a large market that exists overseas for these guys that hasn't been tapped near as much as it could be.

My prediction is growth at the Major level for AMR(pulling pilots out of furlough), CAL(more domestic flying), and DAL/NWA(more international flying), SWA(routes picked up from others who didn't make it due to higher cost structure), with stagnation appearing at US Air and United. I think we'll see a decrease in flying from Air Tran, Allegiant, Spirit, and other airlines with a grasp on the weaker markets.

On the regional level I see greater use of larger regional aircraft. The value with the feeders is just that. Feeding the major lines. Not actually producing profit though it would be nice. Getting the pax to Houston so he can take the $1500 trip to Europe is where the money is. Given a little time I'm willing to bet you'll see an increase in flying from SKYW, RAH, Comair, PNCL, AE, Colgan, Mesaba, TSA/GoJet, Piedmont, PSA, and possibly Compass. XJT, Mesa, Air Whiskey, and Horizon I expect to see decreases in flying.

Personally I think CAL is sitting in the best Legacy position and feel that, unfortunately, Colgan is positioned to get a large boost in business with the Q400.

this is all just deja vu for us guys that were at trans states in 2005/2006. why do you think all you guys got hired in late 2006? it's because they did this exact thing and so many of us quit! then they suddenly needed people.

my advice to everyone is just to stay away from trans states holdings.

that being said, however, i'm sorry to hear it's happening again. i hope everyone it affects is able to get through it ok.

Depending on what oil does, this is probably not too far off. Midwest has some backers with deep pockets these days, so they might get floated for a while, rather than being allowed to expire.

I dont understand how asking people to not volunteer to work on their days off if considered a "Job action"?

Bid's for June came out today on the net. Something isn't right though still

There's 176 captains AND fo's in STL
In Richmond, there's 58 CA's and 83 FO's, and scheduling says even before this, they were short on captains in Richmond!!

We still have US Airways flying for the next month as well. I think I'm just gonna figure out women, prolly easier than figuring out this company

ANY organized action or drive (other than a NLRB approved strike) which can measureably affect the company in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER is considered self-help and is illegal. This has been upheld many times in the past.

If a union in any way sponsors, encourages, publicizes, or communicates such an action they will be held financially liable for the company's damages.

In fact, if a union fails to take aggressive action to discourage self-help activities, they can still be found liable. This is why unions will usually denounce any such action which they become aware of.

Unions have been fined millions (maybe tens of millions) in the past for this sort of thing.

Individuals who organize these activities could also get fined or fired.

Absolute most important statement in this entire thread. They play the game and now is the time for you to play it too. And by the way why is Gojets still posted on this website, I thought this place was supposed to promote bettering our profession?[/quote]

Come on..... Just do your job!!

This all feels like I'm work on a railway or something...hmmm

Just looked at the bid pack
The lines that I have looked at so far look pretty good.
I only lost 8 spots this month, I know that is not consolation to the ones that lost their seat.
It still smells like something is going behind the scenes to me

RIC got pummelled again with this US Airways flying. We have 400 hours while stl has 900 hours in US Air.

I have not made it that far into the bid packs, I dont normally look at rics unless someone says something about it

If the rumors I have heard of furloughs are true and if that is in fact the case you guys are always welcome at Comair. Comair is currently hiring 12 a week for the foreseeable future. Anyone who might want to consider it send me a PM and I will gladly forward your resume to our HR folks.

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This completely sucks, even Greyhound is not hiring. The good news is you can take the computer based training at home and behind-the-wheel in Richmond while sitting reserve. I wonder if the Waste Management folks are hiring.