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FNFAL 06-01-2008 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 394978)
Sir- what are you talking about?

I interviewed and was told to expect the 757.

lol thats pretty gay.

mooney 06-01-2008 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 394978)
The only operation that should have any flying is mainline. XJT, Colgan, SkyWest should all go under.

and then how would you have gotten the time for your prestigious flying job at CAL? How would CAL get all the passengers that want to fly from Abilene or Roswell or any small town to San Diego?

No matter what one thinks about RJ's "stealing" mainline flying how about this perspective. When Northwest gave Pinnacle 130 RJ's (which mainline pilots did not want to fly those little puddle jumpers at that time) did NW lose 130 of their aircraft? I think not. Did the RJ help open up new routes, establish marketing/customer support in new markets that it would be foolish to put a 320 on to start with? yes. Then when 50 people consistently book flights in the new market, they put a DC-9 on it. Same with the touristy in-season hot spots. Thus it doesnt tie up the mainline aircraft and they can continue their frequency between already established city pairs.

newarkblows 06-01-2008 07:04 PM

Colgan does nothing BUT undercut! Having the rates thrown on you? its called not flying the damn airplane.

this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.

The Juice 06-01-2008 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 395052)
Colgan does nothing BUT undercut! Having the rates thrown on you? its called not flying the damn airplane.

this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.

Hey, do you not see your airline failing right before your eyes.:eek: You XJet guys that bash on here are so caught up in everyone else you do not even see what is going on in your own backyard.

It is people like you that give your airline a bad name, sad because there are a lot of great people who work for XJet.

FlyJSH 06-02-2008 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 394978)
The only operation that should have any flying is mainline. XJT, Colgan, SkyWest should all go under.

I too would love to see EVERY mainline doing ALL of its flying, but alas, pilots much senior and "wiser" than I chose to allow mainlines to farm of some of the flying.

And the vast majority of the regionals who took up the slack, chose to abandon those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy turbo props in favor of jets. They also were able to encroach on some of the mainline runs with the little jets.

And many pilots who have come to 121 in the last few years chose to fly for regionals who operated 50 pax jets. A few even chose to work for a regional who chose to fly a jet from IAH to CLL (some 70 nm).

But a few regionals chose NOT to buy jets. They chose to stick to jumpimg puddles.

And some pilots, believing there will always be a market for those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy, but more profitable (or less UNprofitable if you prefer) turbo props chose to work for the turbo prop operators. They didn't do it to thumb their noses at anyone else or to undercut the industry at a "bottom feeder." Those pilots chose to work for a company that appeared to have a better business model: little turbo props on short hops.

I am one of "those" pilots.

So bash on! Tell me how my choosing to go 135 ten years ago because I refused to take a pay cut from flight instructing to fly at a regional ruined the industry. Tell me how my 200 mile flights in a turbo prop undercut the 50 pax market. Please, tell me how "I" am the root of all evil.

newarkblows 06-02-2008 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 395063)
Hey, do you not see your airline failing right before your eyes.:eek: You XJet guys that bash on here are so caught up in everyone else you do not even see what is going on in your own backyard.

It is people like you that give your airline a bad name, sad because there are a lot of great people who work for XJet.

haha cant handle the truth huh? you will see once you stop drinking the colgan kool aid

newarkblows 06-02-2008 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 395231)
I too would love to see EVERY mainline doing ALL of its flying, but alas, pilots much senior and "wiser" than I chose to allow mainlines to farm of some of the flying.

And the vast majority of the regionals who took up the slack, chose to abandon those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy turbo props in favor of jets. They also were able to encroach on some of the mainline runs with the little jets.

And many pilots who have come to 121 in the last few years chose to fly for regionals who operated 50 pax jets. A few even chose to work for a regional who chose to fly a jet from IAH to CLL (some 70 nm).

But a few regionals chose NOT to buy jets. They chose to stick to jumpimg puddles.

And some pilots, believing there will always be a market for those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy, but more profitable (or less UNprofitable if you prefer) turbo props chose to work for the turbo prop operators. They didn't do it to thumb their noses at anyone else or to undercut the industry at a "bottom feeder." Those pilots chose to work for a company that appeared to have a better business model: little turbo props on short hops.

I am one of "those" pilots.

So bash on! Tell me how my choosing to go 135 ten years ago because I refused to take a pay cut from flight instructing to fly at a regional ruined the industry. Tell me how my 200 mile flights in a turbo prop undercut the 50 pax market. Please, tell me how "I" am the root of all evil.

74 seats for the same or less pay then many 50 seat jet operators is shameful. Sorry you cant see that.

The Juice 06-02-2008 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 395244)
74 seats for the same or less pay then many 50 seat jet operators is shameful. Sorry you cant see that.

All of your worries will soon be over

newarkblows 06-02-2008 07:42 AM

saab flying is losing money and is up for rebid in the near future, beech 1900 flying is losing money and is supposedly closing in Oct.... your not one to talk. your q flying is the only good thing you guys have going for you and even then your not getting paid squat for it. Scary times ahead for all.

dingo222 06-02-2008 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 395256)
saab flying is losing money and is up for rebid in the near future, beech 1900 flying is losing money and is supposedly closing in Oct.... your not one to talk. your q flying is the only good thing you guys have going for you and even then your not getting paid squat for it. Scary times ahead for all.

wow, you must sit next to warren buffett with all your knowledge. Only a handful of our saab flying is losing money (namely the eas stuff) and some of the airways routes. None of our flying is up for rebid. Our airways contract is amendable this year, but not up for rebid. Since we fly at risk for them, it's not a bidding process. I'm sure there will be some changes on that end to make things more profitable. Our beech flying makes cash hand over fist. It was kept online this summer to make more money (summer flying in Maine). IT ain't the best gig in town, but not nearly the scariest. I'm sure colganicle, xjet and all the others will do what it takes to stay in business.


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