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newarkblows 06-02-2008 11:03 AM

http://www.aviationtoday.com/ran/cat...ial/21627.html

not warren buffet. Its public info and i know a saab ca. Colgan lost 5 million in first quarter. i hope everything you say is true but i have a feeling a lot of people at the regional feed level are going to be shocked when the time for cuts comes around. bankruptcy courts can throw contracts out the window pretty quickly. Why are the beech 19's going away? Eagle is getting rid of saabs and i would expect others to follow suit.

newarkblows 06-02-2008 11:23 AM

"To the extent that we cannot significantly reduce Colgan's losses, we will make plans to reduce or eliminate the pro-rate operations at Colgan. These actions could result in significant one-time costs associated with exiting the fleet. Such steps would involve removing leased aircraft from service and returning them to third party lessors in advance of lease expirations, removing and remarketing owned Saab aircraft, selling or disposing of Colgan's inventory of Saab parts, and potentially furloughing employees. These actions could result in future write-downs of the carrying value of our tangible assets. In addition, we will continue to evaluate Colgan's intangible assets for impairment. As of March 31, 2008, Colgan's intangible assets had a balance of approximately $16 million." Pinnacle's 10-Q May 08

sorry if i ruffled your feathers but i was just responding to a "your going to be out of a job" with factual info.

FlyJSH 06-02-2008 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 395244)
74 seats for the same or less pay then many 50 seat jet operators is shameful. Sorry you cant see that.

Sorry you connot see that three 50 pax jets should not replace one 737. Every flight over about 300 miles should be flown by mainline pilots.

tpersuit 06-02-2008 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 395443)
Sorry you connot see that three 50 pax jets should not replace one 737. Every flight over about 300 miles should be flown by mainline pilots.

I like how you don't include the flying you do. I got a better one for you: All flying under a mainline's name should be flown by mainline pilots.

No matter how you spin it. XJT pilots were replaced at EWR with pilots who make 80% of our wages to fly 48% more seats. That is shameful.

mooney 06-02-2008 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 395443)
Sorry you connot see that three 50 pax jets should not replace one 737. Every flight over about 300 miles should be flown by mainline pilots.

3 RJ flights vs. 1 737 flight....it's called frequency, something the consumer likes...

DMEarc 06-02-2008 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 395052)
Colgan does nothing BUT undercut! Having the rates thrown on you? its called not flying the damn airplane.

this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.

Newarkblows- I ask you again. Prove that.

I interviewed at CAL...told that if hired we would expect a 757 class. Got called a week and half later. When I got my letter it was the 737. I didn't complain.

You are completely losing it.

I like how you can make a statement like that and not back it up with facts and dates. You're a lunatic.

DMEarc 06-02-2008 01:47 PM

Fact is Colgan will vote ALPA this year and work towards making the working conditions better for themselves.

I voted YES last year and all that did should be commended- not call scabs or undercutters.

dingo222 06-02-2008 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 395359)
http://www.aviationtoday.com/ran/cat...ial/21627.html
Its public info and i know a saab ca.

man, you roll in high circles

FlyJSH 06-03-2008 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 395447)
I like how you don't include the flying you do. I got a better one for you: All flying under a mainline's name should be flown by mainline pilots.

No matter how you spin it. XJT pilots were replaced at EWR with pilots who make 80% of our wages to fly 48% more seats. That is shameful.

Actually I agreed in an earlier post that all flying should be done by mainline pilots:


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 395231)
I too would love to see EVERY mainline doing ALL of its flying, but alas, pilots much senior and "wiser" than I chose to allow mainlines to farm of some of the flying.

My 300 mile comment was based on the fact that mainline pilot gave up some of their flying to regionals. I believe it was the mainliners' intent to let someone else take the short hops and keep the long hauls. Had they known then what has happened to date with the RJ craze, I think the scope clauses would have been written differently. (Or maybe not.... maybe they just didn't give a hoot).


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 395452)
3 RJ flights vs. 1 737 flight....it's called frequency, something the consumer likes...

The customer also likes free drinks and lobster on a $99 round trip. Sometimes providing the best OVERALL service means NOT giving the customers everything they want.

And higher frequency at some airports lead to taxis that take as long as the flights. Telling the customer he can leave every hour but he will spend a whole lot longer in the plane because of it is IMHO bad service. But hey, what do I know: in 98 COEX wouldn't even interview me because I didn't have 1500 hours, and EJT last advertised 600/100.

mooney 06-03-2008 06:35 AM

hey I got hired at Coex in 98...but left right after training to fly corporate/135 in my hometown for twice the pay.


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