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tpersuit 05-30-2008 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by dontsurf (Post 394073)
if you haven't noticed, we are the ones that are relaxed. i'd be hoping your management gets your company straightened out if i were you. look at your balance sheet. it's scary stuff. good luck to you and all expressjet pilots, because i hope for the best for you, and congratulations on getting to stay independent.
ummm... How much flying do you do for United?

I wouldn't be bashing our balance sheet.

ANPBird 05-31-2008 12:36 AM
I hope that there is NO deal......ExpressJet stays on there own and contiunes to be sucessfull. Even though they may be bleeding cash today, I hope things all work out for their future. Just one SkyWesters opinion and good luck xjet guys and gals!

TimSmith 05-31-2008 07:38 AM
Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 394161)
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Yes Skywest Airlines and in the future hopefully ASA too.
Just a point of correction, ASA always made money, never lost money. If JA says any different, he cooked the books. Big suprise there. The ASA union had accountants go over the books thoroughly and that is one main reason ASA pilots flat out rejected any concessions sought by SKW. Funny thing is SKW then turned around and gave their pilots a minor raise to bring the two companies payscales in line with each other.

Kool-aid taste good over there?

ExperimentalAB 05-31-2008 07:57 AM
Originally Posted by TimSmith (Post 394268)
Just a point of correction, ASA always made money, never lost money. If JA says any different, he cooked the books. Big suprise there. The ASA union had accountants go over the books thoroughly and that is one main reason ASA pilots flat out rejected any concessions sought by SKW. Funny thing is SKW then turned around and gave their pilots a minor raise to bring the two companies payscales in line with each other.

Kool-aid taste good over there?
Did Jerry pee in your Cheerios or something?? Hell, I wouldn't blame him...

sigep_nm 05-31-2008 08:54 AM
Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 394161)
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oj, oj, oj:eek:
talk about needing to relax.
Who do you think made the money for Skywest Inc. yes Skywest Airlines,....and the money that they paid for ASA?, Yes Skywest Airlines. And who do you think made all the cash that Skywest Inc is trying to invest in buying another company? Yes Skywest Airlines and in the future hopefully ASA too.

So when any of our pilots say that "we bought" another company like when we bought ASA it is because it was done with money that we among others working at Skywest Airlines made for Skywest Inc.
Without Skywest Airlines and the money from its operation Skywest Inc would not exist in the first place.

Skywest Airlines and Skywest Inc being two different companies is just a financial strategic (for tax, investment and financial protection) issue and we (at least me) does not see it like two different companies but more like two departments of the same company.

Buying additional airlines is not necessarily a good thing. Mesaba owned big sky and our holding company (MAIR) funneled all of our cash to keep Big Sky running. Bottom line, Mesaba pilot profits went to keep afloat a dying Big Sky. So acquisition is not always a good thing, but I am sure you and Jerry already have this all figured out.

HermannGraf 05-31-2008 08:56 AM
No, you got it wrong.
 
Originally Posted by TimSmith (Post 394268)
Just a point of correction, ASA always made money, never lost money. If JA says any different, he cooked the books. Big suprise there. The ASA union had accountants go over the books thoroughly and that is one main reason ASA pilots flat out rejected any concessions sought by SKW. Funny thing is SKW then turned around and gave their pilots a minor raise to bring the two companies payscales in line with each other.

Kool-aid taste good over there?
Well, I did not mean that ASA did not make money. I just said "In the future" because ASA has only been with us for a few years while Skywest Airlines more than 35 years. And most of the growth that Skywest Inc / Skywest Airlines done during the last 35+ years was without ASA or others. Thats all. Did not mean to offend or state that ASA has not made money. I believe the 400+ millions paid for ASA was a great deal. I do not think that JA would say anything negative about ASA to us. What would be the point in that?

HermannGraf 05-31-2008 09:05 AM
Originally Posted by sigep_nm (Post 394293)
Buying additional airlines is not necessarily a good thing. Mesaba owned big sky and our holding company (MAIR) funneled all of our cash to keep Big Sky running. Bottom line, Mesaba pilot profits went to keep afloat a dying Big Sky. So acquisition is not always a good thing, but I am sure you and Jerry already have this all figured out.
That is part of why I do not think that buying XJT is a good idea at the moment.

ExperimentalAB 05-31-2008 09:45 AM
Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 394301)
That is part of why I do not think that buying XJT is a good idea at the moment.
With a newly-minted contract with CAL worth $, why would Jerry not go after it??

ChinsFive 05-31-2008 09:57 AM
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 394316)
With a newly-minted contract with CAL worth $, why would Jerry not go after it??
Thats the thing I don't get... Our union said we won't budge any more and that was it. I think that if SKYW could have gotten the XJT pilots to cave and had a sweetheart deal they would have taken it. They obviously didn't want us that bad, and I really can't blame them. I mean we pretty much would have wanted one list somehow and thats the last thing the SKYW management wants - a workforce that can standup to competing agianst eachother.

ExperimentalAB 05-31-2008 10:03 AM
Originally Posted by ChinsFive (Post 394318)
Thats the thing I don't get... Our union said we won't budge any more and that was it. I think that if SKYW could have gotten the XJT pilots to cave and had a sweetheart deal they would have taken it. They obviously didn't want us that bad, and I really can't blame them. I mean we pretty much would have wanted one list somehow and thats the last thing the SKYW management wants - a workforce that can standup to competing agianst eachother.
We're all glad to see a strong Pilot group over there at XJet...Just don't let pride or ego dig the last few feet of grave for a stand-up Airline.


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