skywest pilots that want skywest to buy expressjet
 

i'm sick of all these threads on here about this nonsense. i haven't seen one person say that they even want us to buy expressjet, and yet these expressjet guys on here (and only on here...no one i know that works at expressjet is saying anything remotely like the bile that gets spewed on here) keep saying that "we" are threatening "you" with various things, trying to get you to "give in" to "our" offer. and yet we don't even want the buyout to go through! get it straight! if there's any skywest pilot (other than slaphappy, if he actually does work for skywest) that wants skywest inc. to buy expressjet at all, post here please because i haven't read anyone saying that. i, as a skywest pilot, am stating quite specifically, as i have many times, that i do not want skywest to buy expressjet.

Ditto...I doubt you'll find any that do want the acquisition! No offense, but y'all over there at XJet have shown here on APC that y'all are far more trouble than you're worth LoL ;)

We seem to have flying lined up with CAL. If we don't buy XJT then the flying will most likely go to SKW pilots. That means more movement for me. Not trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying that from a short term, selfish perspective, it would benefit most SKW pilots if XJT declines our offer.

True. But imagine if you had one of those pesky things called a CBA that contained some language that would deal with such a situation if SKW's management wanted to pursue acquisition of another carrier. If SKW's management wanted to play hardball and go the hostile takeover route, well, that's the way it would be.

But at least if there was a CBA containing scope/merger language in place at SKW, BOTH pilot groups would have somewhat of a chance to obtain some equity in the deal. Now, we've all seen how that doesn't work out so well on some cases, but NONE of the most recent really apply to this situation, yet.

So instead of a complete windfall for one group and the other getting bent over, as it would be now. There MIGHT actually be something a little more fair to BOTH groups in the end.

Whatever. Same old sorry song! Keep preachin', keep preachin'...:rolleyes:

Well guys, to you and your management, let me be the first to say thank you for playing. The talks with the union are over and we got to keep our scope which means no buyout or aquisition.

If you guys can actually come up with 29 ERJ's, well I wish you nothing but luck, and don't forget that RAH was promised 70 seaters as they brought those wonderful CRJ200's to replace the XR's. Now the CRJ's are going away and there's no chance that the CAL pilots are giving up scope...I hope Jerry knows what he's getting himself into.

Sincerely,

A happy XJT pilot.

Fantastic! Can y'all stop whining now??

Likewise......

i don't know why i waste my time. "thank you for playing"??? at least you made my point for me. good lord. thanks for hijacking the thread, guys. at least i got one real response. i still would like to know from the rest of the skywest pilots where your feelings fell on this thing...

Dude, go have a beer and relax, is over, it doesn't really matter anymore.

if you haven't noticed, we are the ones that are relaxed. i'd be hoping your management gets your company straightened out if i were you. look at your balance sheet. it's scary stuff. good luck to you and all expressjet pilots, because i hope for the best for you, and congratulations on getting to stay independent.

Thanks, good luck to you guys as well.

...even though BOTH your biggest contracts are with companies that posted huge losses? I would not be so relaxed. Industry changes affect everyone, including SKW. Remember that.

Why do you think SKW has been pursuing flying with CAL so hard? SGU: Where the kool-aid flows like, uh, kool-aid! :D

Good Luck Bond! I mean that! I have friends over there and ya'll have been the consummate professionals. Congratulations on the decision!

Thanks Tim,

This has always been about saving our junior guys and keeping our frames, I have no ill will towards anyone here. That being said, we're certainly not out of the woods...the next few weeks should be interesting. Good luck to all of us with this oil prices.

xjt was happy about it?
 

how many xjt guys were happy about it? not many if any at all. did we expect you to be happy about it? Hell no! if your management got their way it would have forced our two labor groups to fight for and be thankful for every little bit of flying we did. Any leverage either of our work forces had achieved for future pay and benefits would have been ripped out from underneath us.

some on here thinks its cool to knock us when we are down. let us worry about our own situation instead of listen to your third hand "my buddy said your 10-k was weak. you guys are screwed." Keep knocking us, you do whatever makes you feel better about your career but the truth is a *****. No one at any regional or major should expect to retire at that airline. Any company doing well today could be gone in the blink of an eye.

Have some respect for your profession and your fellow pilots because this career is all a big gamble. People make choices to work somewhere for many reasons and sometimes it doesnt work out. If it works out for you then great but if your like the thousands of pilots before you who have worked at carriers that went TU you will learn that hindsight is not always 20/20. It might make you a little more respectful when talking about another persons career choice. you can make light of our situation and hope to put us out of business now but i have a feeling this industry will make you see things a little differently 5,10, or 20 yrs from now. your fellow pilots aren't the enemy

Why do all you Skywest guys say 'I hope we buy ____' or 'we bought ASA'.
"You" aren't going to, or have not bought anybody! A holding company that owns the company you work for has bought another company (ASA), which puts them on equal footing to you, as would any other airline they (Skywest Inc.) may purchase. Skywest Airlines (whom you work for) neither owns nor will purchase any other airline! Get that through you thick heads..........

and who started the holding company???
 

oj, oj, oj:eek:
talk about needing to relax.
Who do you think made the money for Skywest Inc. yes Skywest Airlines,....and the money that they paid for ASA?, Yes Skywest Airlines. And who do you think made all the cash that Skywest Inc is trying to invest in buying another company? Yes Skywest Airlines and in the future hopefully ASA too.

So when any of our pilots say that "we bought" another company like when we bought ASA it is because it was done with money that we among others working at Skywest Airlines made for Skywest Inc.

Without Skywest Airlines and the money from its operation Skywest Inc would not exist in the first place.

Skywest Airlines and Skywest Inc being two different companies is just a financial strategic (for tax, investment and financial protection) issue and we (at least me) does not see it like two different companies but more like two departments of the same company.

by the way,

I could not understand why our management was interested in buying XJT. I tried to find any positive issues that would come out of such a deal and could not find any so I was not positive to it at all. That is why I questioned the deal and asked for opinions from others. I know that we as pilots do not have the "big picture" behind our management being interested in XJT but what I know is that with the limited info that is available for anyone out there the deal did not look good for Skywest at all..................

It is not over.


Lets no forget that CAL announced their plans to pull 51 aircraft from XJT, and to let their CPA expire in the next 4 years.


Because I have lots of friends still at Expressjet, I was hoping that the Skywest buyout would go through. XJT is losing money and their cash balance is starting to reach a critical phase.

I think the Skywest buyout could have been successful if done any one of several ways.

An all out merger of Skywest, ASA, and XJT

A merger of ASA/XJT and keeping non-union Skywest separate

What if XJT pilots traded the merge the seniority list scope for a scope clause that said "any and all future flying done by Skywest Inc on behalf of CAL will be done by XJT pilots."

There are plenty of ways this buyout could have been successful. I just wish a few of the XJT pilot APC members would have gone into this situation with an open mind.

Looking at the current scenarios, the best future for XJT pilots is to be bought by Skywest. Rather than trying to fight the buyout, XJT pilots should be negotiating with Skywest to ensure their future. If Skywest says no to an all-out merger, then come up with another offer. Offer XJT to be a separate company, but have them sign a LOA stating the XJT certificate cannot have less than 274 aircraft, or 25% of all Skywest Inc flying. There are plenty of solutions out there. Don't give up yet. I would hate to see XJT liquidate.


Honestly, the best thing for Skywest pilots is to see XJT fail and have SKW fly their 145's for CAL. But it sounds like most the Skywest pilots on this board (except Slaphappy) do want to see the XJT pilots treated better than that.

ummm... How much flying do you do for United?

I wouldn't be bashing our balance sheet.

I hope that there is NO deal......ExpressJet stays on there own and contiunes to be sucessfull. Even though they may be bleeding cash today, I hope things all work out for their future. Just one SkyWesters opinion and good luck xjet guys and gals!

Just a point of correction, ASA always made money, never lost money. If JA says any different, he cooked the books. Big suprise there. The ASA union had accountants go over the books thoroughly and that is one main reason ASA pilots flat out rejected any concessions sought by SKW. Funny thing is SKW then turned around and gave their pilots a minor raise to bring the two companies payscales in line with each other.

Kool-aid taste good over there?

Did Jerry pee in your Cheerios or something?? Hell, I wouldn't blame him...

Buying additional airlines is not necessarily a good thing. Mesaba owned big sky and our holding company (MAIR) funneled all of our cash to keep Big Sky running. Bottom line, Mesaba pilot profits went to keep afloat a dying Big Sky. So acquisition is not always a good thing, but I am sure you and Jerry already have this all figured out.

No, you got it wrong.
 

With a newly-minted contract with CAL worth $, why would Jerry not go after it??

Thats the thing I don't get... Our union said we won't budge any more and that was it. I think that if SKYW could have gotten the XJT pilots to cave and had a sweetheart deal they would have taken it. They obviously didn't want us that bad, and I really can't blame them. I mean we pretty much would have wanted one list somehow and thats the last thing the SKYW management wants - a workforce that can standup to competing agianst eachother.

We're all glad to see a strong Pilot group over there at XJet...Just don't let pride or ego dig the last few feet of grave for a stand-up Airline.

Come on guys it’s really not that difficult to see. By XJT staying independent, they can trim away branded and explore other options. Think about it, if they stay independent and close branded they furlough 400 and without branded they become a profitable operation....at least for now. Maybe they negotiate a cheaper CPA with CAL, maybe they don't. Time will tell.

As for why Skywest was interested.....NEWS FLASH. Delta and United are planning and will follow through on MAJOR cutbacks to their regional operations in the next 2 years. You skywest guys just don't understand that the two operators that you're flying for are planning to cut back the most on domestic regional ops. Man I'm sure you guys all feel so safe right now. Pick up a newspaper once in a while. SKYW is interested in XJT because they will need some other contracts and fast in the next year or so.

I can't see how anybody wouldn't see this...? Don't be so dense, people! Diversity is the spice of life...and in times like these your best shot at survival.

I completley understand what you're saying, but as far as I'm concerned my job isn't worth anything less than what I get now - so unless I we were going to get a deal that would somehow allow me to move left I'd rather dig a grave than be an FO for less, with less to look forward too.

If our roles were reversed, I assure you I'd be echoing your exact sentiments. But what has you convinced that huge concessions would have been on your horizon??

Good point. But without AT LEAST a little bit of those two, you could end up flying a bigger airplane for the same money as the guy out the window next to you flying the smaller one.

here's a real class act
 

here's a private message i got. i don't even know this guy.

from: timsmith
title: oh clueless one
You are the one who needs to read posts thoroughly before responding. If you had read my posts, you would know I don't work for XJT. I have been affiliated with SKW up close and personal and know that while JA is a great guy to talk to and hang out with, he is very deceitful. You and your fellow pilots try to play his short shaft to your group off by telling everyone how much better ya'll are. Right now that is true, SKW is well positioned. Remember, it has not always been this way and may not be in the future. Your own posts carry veiled threats about XJT balance sheets, finances, and if SKW doesn't "save" them then they are done in to a much worse fate with no hope. Sorry, your posts show your wishes of aquisition. Your pilot group is one of the most selfish, individually oriented groups around. That is fine. I am a big boy and understand most folks vote their individual interests over others. Just keep in mind that SKW pilots fortunes for fast seniority movement depends on aquisition as the overall regional market is shrinking. You and JetJock just can't be honest about it even though you obviously know it. So stop being hostile. I just expose the SKW BS, and as far as the XJT deal offer was, it was all BS. Good for the XJT guys, bad for ya'll. But at least Jerry only has 1 group to whipsaw you against now.

Good day and try to act like a professional. It will serve you well when you desire a better job.
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wow. what a nice guy. and he doesn't even work for expressjet! making his whole fascination with this situation all the more puzzling. so i'll say it again and maybe he can read it here because i don't do private messages (i'm not afraid to talk in public): i don't want skywest to buy expressjet. me pointing out to expressjet people that they need to be more concerned with the financial situation of their own company than whining about skywest is only advice meant for them to make sure they have their eyes open, not threats, veiled or otherwise. i will also say this again: i have many friends and expressjet and wish them only the best, and for them to stay independent and prosper.

hopefully, since i for the 100th time or so, put all that in plain english, i can be spared anymore ridiculous misplaced diatribes. thanks for your time.

Ah nevermind.

Wow, posting a private message from a guy, that's really cool of you.

What
 

What:confused:???

Dont you know by now that Skywest can get CAL flying without buying XJT? Talk about not opening newspaper. CAL has already negotiated a contract with Skywest and Skywest has already the E-145 certificate from the FAA. It is not only Skywest that wants diversity. CAL is also looking for other operators for the regional lines as they also want diversity and not having to rely on just a couple of operators. What I know it was CAL that approached SKYW not the other way around. Buying XJT is taking responsability for them in the future and why do that? SKYW can get CAL flying without XJT.

Nothing negative against XJT. I wish them the best.

Well good luck with that. RAH got the flying from them last year and now it is being pulled and given to you. So go ahead and take it, it's not XJT that is losing it right now, its RAH. Who do you think is playing who here?