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its still a management issue...bottom line. sadly enough, i was thinking that if we did say we won't fly it anymore to our management, they'd just go create another alter ego (ie GJ) that would. unless someone can give me a reason why they wouldn't? i'm sure the cpa is with trans states holdings and not trans states airlines. anyway, its all pointless, its a management issue and nobody but them can be blamed. so can we close this thread out now?
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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 403517)
I'm not sure if I agree with your apples and coal statement. It is essentially a very similar situation. Granted not completely the same, but there are enough similarities to make the comparison valid.
The fact remains, once the arbitrator rules this was a violation of the AE pilot contract, (which they have no choice but to do based upon the prior rulings), then what does that make the TSA pilots? Are you saying your MEC is not capable of dealing with more than one issue at a time? That is a cop out. Your MEC should have issued a blanket statement following the announcement of the Miami flying that this was in violation of an ALPA contract, and that members should not fly the routes. In other words, they should have struck the Miami flying. We're prohibited from striking due to a very bad contract agreement... we gave them that, along with a few other things to get a single pilot list from the four airlines that were operating as American Eagle. Now, here we are years later, and they are trying to give away flying to an outside carrier... essentially recreating a multiple pilot group situation all over again. ALPA needs to start running like a national union. Allowing each individual MEC (union local) to lower the bar is not acceptable. There needs to be a "basic" pilot contract created, and each MEC should be prohibited from accepting anything less than the ALPA basic contract. Each MEC would remain free to negotiate special perks with their own managements, and tailored to their own airline. ALPA national needs to take a stronger leadership position, and put some backing and support behind the words "we're taking it back." If we need to have a systemwide meeting of all the MEC's, or create a committee comprised of members from each pilot group, to construct the "basic" ALPA pilot contract, then that is what we should start doing, and the time is now. Each member of the committee would bring their contract to the meetings, and as a group, select the best sections from the various contracts, to create the new "basic" ALPA pilot contract. The "basic" ALPA pilot contract should be constructed to cover everything from Beech 1900's to A380's. A new idea, which I have not seen at ALPA, but have seen at other pilot union contract or side letters, is to include a fine system for when management violates the contract. Additionally, a section prohibiting members from knowingly violating another local's contract should be included, with a stipulation that if pilots refuse to fly, after being notified by an MEC of the violation the companies may not take punative actions against them... just some thoughts and rants.... other ideas anybody? |
Originally Posted by Blueskies21
(Post 409856)
I but do you honestly expect one carrier to strike for recieving flying out of a contract violation of another? That is idealistic at best. Why should TSA pilots strike for your routes? You ..
Same union. no leadership at either local |
you guys got it, just got a memo from our president that american requested all 10 a/c be returned by the end of the year. told you guys it was a management thing. congrats.
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It's still a net loss of airplanes
June 25, 2008 To: American Eagle and Executive Employees In response to soaring fuel prices and an uncertain economy, last month AA announced that it was reducing its schedule and had directed Eagle to reduce its schedule as well. This week, American and Eagle filed schedule changes which will put into effect these previously-announced capacity reductions. These schedule changes will be implemented this fall. As evidenced daily in the news media, increases in fuel prices are causing changes across the U.S. and international economies. The airline industry has been -- and will continue to be -- more heavily impacted than most businesses because jet fuel now represents such a large percentage of airline operating expenses. The schedule reductions filed this week are intended to reduce the number of loss-making flights but still preserve as many stations and routes as possible. Listed below are some of the major points from Eagle's perspective. Eagle will: Ground 29 of our 39 EMB-135 (37-seat) fleet Reduce our schedule by 37 flights per day in LGA, 34 flights in Chicago and an additional 7 flight per day reduction in BOS compared to last year's winter schedule Reduce frequency in many other Eagle stations Close our stations in Albany (ALB), Harrisburg (MDT), Providence (PVD) and San Luis Obispo (SBP) as well as Samana, Dominican Republic (previously announced). Our people at ALB and SBP were notified of these changes earlier today, as were our contract ground handlers in MDT and PVD. Close our maintenance base in SBP as a result of the elimination of the SAAB fleet and the cancellation of the LAX-SBP route The specific schedule adjustments, which call for AA to replace Eagle in some markets, Eagle to replace AA in some markets and AA and Eagle to share some markets, will be visible in Sabre on Sunday, June 29. American is also making significant changes at the AmericanConnection carriers by reducing STL daily departures by approximately 35 compared to last year. After flying reliably and safely for American in St. Louis for seven years, American has requested that Trans States Airlines return to Eagle the ten EMB-145s (50 seaters) which it currently leases from Eagle. These aircraft will return to Eagle beginning early next year and will be put in service at Eagle.In the weeks to come, we will be working with our union leaders, managers and front-line employees to determine the staffing that is needed to operate this reduced schedule, integrate planes returning from Trans States and find ways to minimize the disruption to our people. We will provide more information in the coming weeks as we finalize this plan. Please accept my sincere thanks to all of you for your patience and professionalism as we adapt to the schedule and other changes. As always, please keep the safety of our customers and co-workers at the top of your consciousness. Peter M. Bowler President & CEO |
i know, i posted that before the american announcement was posted in the other thread. not good for anyone.
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even though it is tough times, it is still no excuse to fly "potentially-struck" flying. bottom line.
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oh give it a rest!! your showing your immaturity by carrying on with this now. you guys are getting the planes back, it was managements decision to give us the miami flying, it was managements decision to get your airplanes back. put this to bed, and stock being nit picky with "potentially struck" flying, there is no such thing. its struck or its not. everyones losing flying, everyones job is in jeopardy, nobody is happy. lets not continue with this.
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Originally Posted by flyinaway411
(Post 412350)
oh give it a rest!! your showing your immaturity by carrying on with this now. you guys are getting the planes back, it was managements decision to give us the miami flying, it was managements decision to get your airplanes back. put this to bed, and stock being nit picky with "potentially struck" flying, there is no such thing. its struck or its not. everyones losing flying, everyones job is in jeopardy, nobody is happy. lets not continue with this.
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