wow you have issues man. "highly concerned?" "naive or ignorant?" why am i going to get worked up over something i cant control. my stress level about this entire industry is pegged at 0 right now. if we survive then i will hang in there. if not it may be the chance for me to move on to something else. but i will not get worked up about it. i have seen what happens to the guys who come to work worried everyday. next thing you know you are on bp medicine and getting divorced. this silly industry isn't worth all that.

and yes there is a merger clause in our contract with nwa and if delta bought us they would have to honor it. and performance is not a problem on the nwa side so they wont be able to use that against us. and the minimum planes we can have i believe is 112. after that if they want to take a 200 from us they have to replace it with a 900.

i can almost bet that dal would rather have the deal we have with nwa then the new one they made with us. think about it. we took a cut in profit in our new deal with nwa so nwa would let us go fly for other carriers. so nwa got a good deal out of us. delta doesn't want to pay us on two different scales after the merger so if they can get rid of the delta side and only be obligated to pay us on the cheaper nwa side, then why not?

 

If Delta is trying to replace 50 seat traffic with 900 traffic then why did they just kick out one of the best (if not the best) and cheapest performing 900 operators in the entire ATL base? Who, btw, owns it's own planes (i.e. no capital investment req'd as the 9E 900 base (would have) grown, freeing up capital for the merger). I won't be concerned unless they start fooling with the NWA contract.

Like airsupport said...I'm not stressed at all--I'll either have a flying job after the merger or I won't. I have a great GPA, instructor ratings, and the ability to go to grad school or work in a variety of other better-paying jobs if need be. Big deal.

PS> I think it's a little bit below the belt/unprofessional the way some DAL mainline guys are on these threads talking down to us regional guys like we're a bunch of spoiled children, or that we deserve to lose our flying/jobs just because we haven't been through a f-lough and they have. I'll never wish that upon anyone, even if it's a company that's taking flying from my company. You have better paid in-house lawyers and you make more money than us, and have more experience than (most) of our pilots (yeah, we have some lifers here who have way more time in this industry than you, and a few military guys too)...so why do you guys need to come on apc and make side comments bashing down the optimism of the few guys on here who are trying to rationalize a bad thing that happened to our company?

 

Per Delta's sched bulleting from last Friday, 9E will continue to fly their routes well after Sep 1st.

 

Actually, airsupport could be right. Even though these are all rumors I think there is a bigger possibility of Delta keeping us vs dropping us. (sorry delta4ever). Why would 9e reopen bids/vacancies to go back to ATL? I do think their is some sort of training deal that they have to train the pilots-but I highly doubt that they would revamp stuff and start new classes for the 900 if they were to completely shut us down. But who knows. We'll know more later and then we can all point our fingers and say, "i told you so"

 

it is a low blow when people come on here and bash others......

 

The bottom line on those training vacancies is this-- we own the friggin planes. It is one of (if not the) most efficient a/c around. It would make sense to keep those 900 pilots current/trained in the event that 1) We somehow keep the DL flying, or 2) We convince NW to swap out 16 50-seaters and put those 900s in their place. Not sure how bidding would work if those planes were transferred to a new base, but keeping those planes flying is going to be an important financial consideration, and having at least some pilots trained and current to fly it keeps the continuity if either of the above scenarios develop.

Now let's get a contract ya'll.

 

Where is this? Can you copy and paste this? And what is "well after" Sept. 1st?

A lot of us down here are keeping are fingers crossed about the whole situation. Many of us are from Atlanta, and I've never seen crews work this hard -- more now than ever -- to get flights out on time and back in within 14 minutes. But we all know how it goes, there is just so much out of our control.

So we're all hoping for the best. Many of us do believe this is a scare tactic.... forcing 9E into doing, well.. doing something..... whether it be getting a contract for the pilots or lowering costs to Delta... or something else.... we don't know.

 

amen. now this something i WILL get behind. i have been rallying and picketing for over 2 years now. i want a contract NOW! and who knows, maybe we will have one friday night!!!

ps. once again i will put my disclaimer about not getting my hopes up. pinnacle pilots have seen this promise come and go before. we will just have to keep up the good fight till we get one.

 

My post was not below the belt. I was just a bit incredulous that he thought losing the DAL flying was "no big deal". If they get rid of 10 MD-80s here, it is a very "big deal". That involves flying jobs, lost opportunities, etc.

I am an anomaly at DAL in that I am 100% civilian. Flight instructed, flew night freight, flew at two regionals, etc. I have many close friends still at the regionals and never hit below the belt to them because I remember not to many years ago the caliber of pilot that I flew with. I loved their enthusiasm, love of flying, building the hours, talking about who got hired where, and the over all can do attitude. I never dampen it. I welcome it. It is the only thing that gives me hope for this crazy industry.

I am just amazed at how times have changed. I think its telling that pilots really think the worst that can happen to them is that they get furloughed, go back to grad school and look for employment outside of flying. I hope management is smart enough to read these threads and take note. If pilots don't feel like they are a hostage to the industry then they may bolt en masse if it gets worse. Things will get really interesting if the regionals can't staff classes or their cockpits.

I wish you all the best of luck, I am simply correcting an opinion that I felt was rather cavalier that's all.

 

[quote=nicholasblonde;405246] or that we deserve to lose our flying/jobs just because we haven't been through a f-lough and they have. quote]

I didn't see where this was posted, but tell whoever it was to get his facts straight before he starts throwing stones. 9e has been thru furlough...and lots of guys that work at 9e have been furloughed from other companies.