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Originally Posted by Fluboy340
(Post 432531)
Yes we need one. But not ALPA. Teamsters is the way to go. Nothing more ALPA would like to do then get are money and make the colgan 34 seat clause happen. That was in one of there statmenents to Pinnacle pilots. Tell me this, why would I want them here at colgan? Somone please tell me.
THE PILOTS ARE THE UNION! Sure, there is an MEC,LEC, chairman of this, that, the other BUT all the issues that effect you and are a concern to you come up to a vote FROM THE PILOT GROUP. So lets say you vote in ALPA at Colgan and there is some RIDICULOUS "34 seat colgan scope clause", not only can you vote it down "NO" but you can oust those stupid enough to even say it was Ok and send it off as a TA. The pilots get to sit up front with mgmt in the day-to-day issues and you would be amazed what little issues your local ALPA guys can take care of ON YOUR BEHALF! 1.95% of your taxable dues is a cheap insurance policy. As a 9E guy who will self proclaim to "keep an ear to the ground" Colgan is a big issue, not in the negative sense- but in what MGMT wants. Why do you suppose mgmt was soo happy and gave you buddy (who was lorenzo's buddy if you recall) and try and promise the world to you for "no ALPA". You think all the PNCL (9e) folks want to hurt your pilot group? NO we are 99% against mgmt, come join our club, we are up against the same folks- our arms are open! With the arbitration issue on the table I do not see how any Colgan pilot would not want to hop aboard...? I support the 9L folks. This situation is like 2 single parents making a family, why shouldn't the kids bond and make the best of it and have LEVERAGE against the parents. |
Originally Posted by Fluboy340
(Post 432531)
Yes we need one. But not ALPA. Teamsters is the way to go. Nothing more ALPA would like to do then get are money and make the colgan 34 seat clause happen. That was in one of there statmenents to Pinnacle pilots. Tell me this, why would I want them here at colgan? Somone please tell me.
Us becoming ALPA,teamsters,or staying non union would have no effect on the Pinnacle pilots wanting a 34 scope clause. If you think it does, then I suggest doing some actual research before making a decision or else you are doing yourself and your coworkers a diservice. Why would you want them here at Colgan? Well, do you think the current status quo is working? If you do, then you don't need ALPA or teamsters. But if you think there needs to be a change, I don't think teamsters is the way to go. Getting teamsters for the reason it's not ALPA is going to make you very upset at your union when you get one. Teamsters is cheaper, but when is cheaper better? I could list numerous reasons supporting teamsters and ALPA. Both offer good and bad, i'm not going to list them for you. I've done the research on my own time looking at FACTS, not propaganda. For me it's obvious while I do not support some ALPA policies, they would give Colgan pilots the most opportunity for success. What you and others need to understand, teamsters nor ALPA is going to get you ANYTHING, they will supply the tools, you and other Colgan pilots will determine how successful you are. |
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awwwww.....
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Hey that's pretty good!
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Originally Posted by drummerguy
(Post 432567)
Will Alpa hold informational meetings in IAH? I think as a pilot group we need as much information as possible. Pretty much everyone I know wants a union at Colgan now, however, there are a lot of pilots afraid of what Alpa will do to us in terms of the Scope. I realize the importance of a united group (both pilot groups 9e and 9l) and I feel that the company under ALPA would still be Colgan flying props and Pinnacle flying jets, however, there are a lot of people afraid. That is what is fueling the Teamsters/ALPA debate. At the end of the day, I think pretty much everyone agrees we need representation of some kind be it ALPA or Teamsters.
I hear this argument A LOT from people who want Teamsters... concerns regarding scope and merging of seniority. I personally feel like it would be very beneficial for the success of this ALPA drive if someone(s) of some sort of official capacity, whether from ALPA or Pinncle MEC, would come out to the Colgan group and addressed this very issue. especially to the guys who need to hear it - those who are too lazy or prejudiced to come out and hear ALPA's pitch. (I know next week's meeting may address it, but obviously the only people who will make the effort to show up are pilots who already want ALPA.) |
wow still beating this dead horse at colgan?? didnt know...i say keep em out...its not like your going to make any more money with the union
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With these two unions fighting for out attention it might lead to neither of them winning
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Teamsters didn't side against its members on age 65. Go teamsters
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Hey Ill be around, now some of you guys can meet me in person, and call me names if you want :)
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