Probably not.

This madness has to stop somewhere. By bringing the insanity into the flight deck instead of leaving it at the gate, it becomes a never ending cycle.

While I agree that Mesa/Freedom as an airline is bottom feeding, we shouldn't be taking it out on the pilots trying to get a ride to and from work. Instead, how about showing a little support and unity amongst pilot groups.

Someone once told me that an airline pilot's best friend is another airline pilot. I happen to agree with that, especially since this industry is a very small world. That one guy you are denying the jumpseat to could be the person that is on your interview board at the next airline you are trying to get on with or worse -- the check airman on your initial checkride at your next airline.

oh man you wouldn't believe how true this is. pinnacle has a pilot on a hiring board at a "major" airline. no need to name names but a captain i flew with a year or so ago simply said he had no chance in hell of getting a job there now since he treated that guy like crap as an fo. (and yes he treated me like crap to, so maybe one day i will have the pleasure of shoveling some of it back at him)... :cool:

The sad thing is that it is one or two of these ignorant a$$es that give the rest of us a bad reputation. If a prick-of-a-captain here at Comair decides to deny someone a jumpseat, that one person tells everyone at his or her airline how all the Comair pilots are dicks and eventually everyone starts to believe it and now I look bad because some assface decided to be a jerk.

(Disclaimer: I'm just using Comair as an example because I work here and I'm not aiming this post at any particular person, instead speaking in general. I'm sure every airline has their one or two bad apples that spoil it for the rest of the group).

I would have to agree with RJTrashPilot.

As for the small world comment, one of my colleagues was denied the jumpseat on another carrier due to being overweight (full flight) on a CRJ 200 by 100 lbs. No other passengers or cargo was left behind. According to friends who fly the 200, 100 lbs is pretty easy to fudge. Well, needless to say, my colleague wasn't happy.

Fast forward to a few days later, when my colleague was back at his crashpad. Who ends up walking in? The captain that denied him a jumpseat. It was a full house @ the crashpad, and it made for an interesting night with so many pilots from so many airlines seeing a captain who denied a J/S.

I knew it Freedom is growing looks like this whole court thing is growing there stamina. But yeah I heard the CVG base is going due to the reductions of RAH and now Comair. Hey think us (Comair) can take that MCO base back from them?....nevermind

my humble opinion is that it's the company not the pilots that gives mesa a bad name. We sit here working for what we think are better regionals and blame other pilots for mesa buisness ethics. We should be thankfull that we got that interview instead of going to mesa and now we are here it is easy to say "i'd never work for mesa." The pilots at Mesa are just looking for a J.O.B. Perhaps they entered the industry when only Mesa would hire them, some prob have a better commute working for them? Can you really blame them? Those that are married may go to Mesa because they can be with their kids more often due to their bases. Some stay because they have Sen. in the company and don't wanna start over again. It is easy to blame the pilots but it isn't them that for example skrewed Aloha. They are no less qualified to fly an CRJ/ERJ at ASA, Skywest, Comair etc. They all passed their checkrides like we do and many of them had an FAA jumpseater one time or another and passed. Being prior military also, I consider this line of work like a brotherhood. We all HELP one another get to work and find work when times are bad. Look at all these boards, how many times has one pilot told another pilot to PM him to help him out? I fly for ASA and when I can, I try and help out the Mesa/Republic/Airtran or whoever that is going to work, I have taked myself off the J/S list out of Orlando before because I knew I can get on the flight non-rev and let the guy who can't list non-rev to list J/S. We can be our best allies or our worst enemies. Why not be allies? Over all our quality of life would be much better.

I wouldn't say growing, we have no flying till October and then it depends on the court ruling. Still could lose all the flying.

does freedom still have a ATL base?

Heard DL may drop regionals outta MCO all together. Don't know if that is true.

When is the court case?