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EmbraerFlyer 07-28-2008 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 434984)
No I don't. You accept one of the worst contracts in the industry when you sign on there and that effects others all around the industry. Keep justifying it however you want if that helps you sleep at night.


I dont even work for Mesa.. I've only worked at Horizon and Compass...

I was raised not to look down on anyone because you dont know what they have been through in life. Not everyone is as "lucky" as you and I to dodge the Mesa bullet. What about the guys that tried at Horizon, Skywest, ExpressJet, Republic, ASA and all the others and got turned donw. Is he/she suppose to give up.. If i was ever in that sititution and Mesa offered me a job, I'll be in class tomorrow...You would do the same!!!

lancermf 07-28-2008 05:54 PM

There will always be someone out there with the worst contract and right now it happens to be Mesa.

I love how all these "professionals" get on here and act like third graders. Maybe you guys can just take it outside and settle it like menz.

Killer51883 07-28-2008 05:54 PM

you have got to be kidding me about this. delta cuts freedom because of their horrible on time performance. now they are cutting chq for freedoom when we have one of the best on time performance out of every airline in the delta system f^cking horse sh!t

WhizWheel 07-28-2008 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer (Post 434998)
I dont even work for Mesa.. I've only worked at Horizon and Compass...

I was raised not to look down on anyone because you dont know what they have been through in life. Not everyone is as "lucky" as you and I to dodge the Mesa bullet. What about the guys that tried at Horizon, Skywest, ExpressJet, Republic, ASA and all the others and got turned donw. Is he/she suppose to give up.. If i was ever in that sititution and Mesa offered me a job, I'll be in class tomorrow...You would do the same!!!

Yes, I did and was at Mesa for a year. It was a HUGELY ignorant and uneducated mistake and if I had places like this website to see what a mistake it would be I wouldn't have done it. My bad. But what really chaps my a** are the ones on here that DO have the information from this site, and others, that its not a smart move but they do it anyway. Then we're all supposed to act cumbaya with everyone because life is all about puppies, scented candles and hugs and "bashing" the ignorant isn't PC anymore. Weak

EmbraerFlyer 07-28-2008 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 435003)
Yes, I did and was at Mesa for a year. It was a HUGELY ignorant and uneducated mistake and if I had places like this website to see what a mistake it would be I wouldn't have done it. My bad. But what really chaps my a** are the ones on here that DO have the information from this site, and others, that its not a smart move but they do it anyway. Then we're all supposed to act cumbaya with everyone because life is all about puppies, scented candles and hugs and "bashing" the ignorant isn't PC anymore. Weak

Well I'm glad you were liberated.. !!!:)

I just dont have it in me to bash and Mesa or Go-Jet guy...Or anybody, Circumstances makes us what we are..

lancermf 07-28-2008 06:03 PM

I wonder if the people at Target get all bothered when they see another Wal-Mart being built. Or maybe there are gang fights between the BMW and Ford dealers after hours.

Airsupport 07-28-2008 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 435003)
Yes, I did and was at Mesa for a year. It was a HUGELY ignorant and uneducated mistake and if I had places like this website to see what a mistake it would be I wouldn't have done it. My bad. But what really chaps my a** are the ones on here that DO have the information from this site, and others, that its not a smart move but they do it anyway. Then we're all supposed to act cumbaya with everyone because life is all about puppies, scented candles and hugs and "bashing" the ignorant isn't PC anymore. Weak


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 434977)
Says who? You? Sorry but Mesa folks CAN get ripped and if they don't like it, too bad.




Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 434984)
No I don't. You accept one of the worst contracts in the industry when you sign on there and that effects others all around the industry. Keep justifying it however you want if that helps you sleep at night.




the fact that you actually worked there at some point in your career lowers your authority and credit on the subject of working at mesa. you are tainted, biased material and all that you say has a slant on it that cant be overlooked. by going to mesa even for a year you have become and will always be the guy that you yourself wish to bash. you have the mark of mesa and it can never be erased, for good or bad. at that point in your life you were doing everything, with or without the knowledge, that you now fight and argue against. you were the low time pilot who went there knowing how bad it was. you were the selfish guy who wanted to live in base so you could be with your family. you were the guy who got turned down at other places and settled for mesa. you were the guy who went for the quick upgrade. you were the guy who accepted low pay. you were the guy who accepted a subpar contract. that was you at that time. you cant change it. and bashing guys who did the same thing you did makes you infact a hypocrite. even if you did leave there. you personally helped keep mesa alive for that much longer.

embarassing and pathetic

i will not bash the mesa guys. they have made their choices and pay for it every day in qol and pay problems. if that is worth it to them for this time in their lives then so be it.

sweptback 07-28-2008 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 435001)
you have got to be kidding me about this. delta cuts freedom because of their horrible on time performance. now they are cutting chq for freedoom when we have one of the best on time performance out of every airline in the delta system f^cking horse sh!t

No offense, but any airline could have great on time percentages being based in CVG and not using ACARS. You'll probably see the Freedom on time performance skyrocket.

However, in fairness, the decision to dump the 135s was made during the DL BK, which is about the time Freedom entered in the mix.

WhizWheel 07-28-2008 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 435014)
the fact that you actually worked there at some point in your career lowers your authority and credit on the subject of working at mesa. you are tainted, biased material and all that you say has a slant on it that cant be overlooked. by going to mesa even for a year you have become and will always be the guy that you yourself wish to bash. you have the mark of mesa and it can never be erased, for good or bad. at that point in your life you were doing everything, with or without the knowledge, that you now fight and argue against. you were the low time pilot who went there knowing how bad it was. you were the selfish guy who wanted to live in base so you could be with your family. you were the guy who got turned down at other places and settled for mesa. you were the guy who went for the quick upgrade. you were the guy who accepted low pay. you were the guy who accepted a subpar contract. that was you at that time. you cant change it. and bashing guys who did the same thing you did makes you infact a hypocrite. even if you did leave there. you personally helped keep mesa alive for that much longer.

embarassing and pathetic

That make you feel better? Wasn't based at home, wasn't a 250hr wonder, didn't apply elsewhere (my ignorance), left a month before upgrade...........keep lowering the bar because.....oh, thats right, you're still at Mesa trying to continue to justify being there and furthering the race to extinction. Well done chief. At least I wised up and left.

Airsupport 07-28-2008 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 434977)
Says who? You? Sorry but Mesa folks CAN get ripped and if they don't like it, too bad.


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 435020)
That make you feel better? Wasn't based at home, wasn't a 250hr wonder, didn't apply elsewhere (my ignorance), left a month before upgrade...........keep lowering the bar because.....oh, thats right, you're still at Mesa trying to continue to justify being there and furthering the race to extinction. Well done chief. At least I wised up and left.


uh, i don't work at mesa, and never did. i am just pointing out that you are probably mad that you are getting furloughed and you are bashing the other guys who still have a job at a place you used to work at. a place you despise for whatever reason. you probably feel cheated and i can understand that. but the pilots dont make the business decisions. the pilots dont get to choose when an b company will be made to whipsaw the a, or vice versa. pilots dont choose any of that. they make the best decision for their lives based on the available evidence given to them. some feel it best to stay. others feel they had to get out. you trying to act like you know whats best for each individual mesa pilot and their family does not bode well for your arguments.


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