Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

To buy a TWIN or not.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-16-2006 | 10:05 PM
  #21  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 730
Likes: 59
From: Office Chair
Default

Find someone at the local airport that owns a twin and offer to pay for gas if you can fly with them. That way you won't have to pay for insurance, hangar, mx, etc., and you won't have to deal with the headaches and stress of a/c ownership. I hooked up with a 135 operation and rode along on part 135 flights, and they let my fly the part 91 legs. Even though I could only log the part 91 legs, I got some free time in Barons, Queen Airs, and a King Air (all PIC). Lots of 135 guys would be happy to have some company and an extra set of eyes in the plane, as long as their OpSpecs allow it.
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 12:58 AM
  #22  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 623
Likes: 0
From: Flight Instructor
Default

WOw. How does a college student have $45K? When I was in college, I could barely keep $2K
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 06:43 AM
  #23  
Flying Ninja's Avatar
Need More Flight Time!
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 400
Likes: 0
From: Flight Simulator X
Default

Originally Posted by edik
I am debating on buying an airplane, a twin. I am looking at spending 45-70K (70 is the MAX), on a twin. I will only keep it for about 150-300hrs.
The math doesn't make any sense. You can rent a twin from $150-200 an hour. Based on the hours you want to get out of this venture, you'd spend between $22500 on the low side or $60000 on the high side. Some places will even give you a block time discount which will bring that cost down.

I used to be the president of a local flying club, and believe me, you do NOT want to own that aircraft. You must consider the cost of insuring that airplane, tie down fees (or hangar fees), AvGas, oil, and most importantly, maintenance. I know that you mentioned that your father is an A&P but that will ONLY save you on labor. What if your Nav/Com breaks? Can he fix that? What if you needed to replace a DG or the Attitude Indicator? Can your father fix that? If the items are not fixable, guess what? You need to pay out money to get new replacement parts.

Since most regionals are looking for that magical minimum of 100 ME time anyway, why kill yourself trying to impress them with 300 hours when you don't have to? If you want to separate yourself from the competition, go get yourself 150-200 hours. I think 300 is overkill. Plus, you can use the saved money to fly the single engine on cross country ventures that will give you more opportunities to kill yourself (read: Solo XC PIC time) and that will look better on the books anyway.

Bottom line, airplane ownership is very expensive. Most people don't look at the incidentals that translate to big dollars. If you still have this itch to waste all that money, then buy the plane and fly the balls out of it everyday. For every day that plane sits on the ramp not flying, the more costly it becomes to you.

Where are you located?

Last edited by Flying Ninja; 03-17-2006 at 07:43 AM.
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 07:18 AM
  #24  
Schnides's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Default

Flying Ninja is right... People forget about the extra costs. I'm Navy pilot with an A&P, and even with my pay as a LCDR and being able to do my own maint... it was too much. I wanted to get a plane and looked into all the options. I bought an old Mooney after looking at several twins. When you do your annual.... pray to the airplane gods. An older twin can run-up $5k-$20k at an annual in an instant.... and if you don't fix it... the plane can't be sold or flown... My Mooney was with insurance, hangar/tie-down, and routine maint was costing between $450-$600/month before I even started it to go flying (less if you tie down instead of hangar it.. but that destroys your investment). Then consider your engine burn will be 9-10 gal/hour if you're lucky (at$3/per gallon). If you have one big money item break... you're done... how much is the purchase tax on it...? Go fly with a piston cargo company like airnet or flight express who has C210s and Barons.. Get your time the old fashion way.
You may get lucky with a plane.. but the risk far out weighs the benefits.. One good job will fulfill all of your flight hour needs.

Last edited by Schnides; 03-17-2006 at 01:57 PM.
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 01:54 PM
  #25  
Schnides's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Default

If you want to build your time.. try this place.... They need a pilot to instruct and fly freight in their Baron...

http://www.americanflightservicespa.com/page16.shtml

Job Openings
Full Time CFI Position with Multi-Engine, Commercial, Instrument Rating. (MEI and CFII preferred but not required)

Duties: Full-Time Instruction with 25 hours per month Multi-Engine time in a BE-58 flying cross-country freight.

Please contact Keith Bauder @ American Flight Services, 610-376-5447.
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 02:40 PM
  #26  
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 260
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Flying Ninja

Since most regionals are looking for that magical minimum of 100 ME time anyway, why kill yourself trying to impress them with 300 hours when you don't have to? If you want to separate yourself from the competition, go get yourself 150-200 hours. I think 300 is overkill. Plus, you can use the saved money to fly the single engine on cross country ventures that will give you more opportunities to kill yourself (read: Solo XC PIC time) and that will look better on the books anyway.

Bottom line, airplane ownership is very expensive. Most people don't look at the incidentals that translate to big dollars. If you still have this itch to waste all that money, then buy the plane and fly the balls out of it everyday. For every day that plane sits on the ramp not flying, the more costly it becomes to you.

Where are you located?
Good points. I am in ND (UND), but live in Newport (CA). My dad just got (partnership @ SNA) on a B33, so i would be able to fly that for a single engine time. I will probably come out with anywhere with 20-45hrs of multi when i graduate, depends how well i do. I dont really want to stay at UND and get my MEI, i want to come back to SoCal as soon as i can. There are some nice planes at SNA, maybe i can hang around and hope someone with a twin likes me , i am oging to try to get a job at the airport this summer after i come back from summer school. All i really need is like 100 or more TT on multi like you guys said. I just dont want to teach for a long time, since i will be graduating when i am 23, almost 24, so i will be older then most grads.


edik
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 03:07 PM
  #27  
Gets Weekends Off
20 Years
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,047
Likes: 20
From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Default

Originally Posted by edik
All i really need is like 100 or more TT on multi like you guys said. I just dont want to teach for a long time, since i will be graduating when i am 23, almost 24, so i will be older then most grads.
edik
Not sure what your hurry is. A year or 2 does not make a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme of things. If all you are going to need is 50-75 multi hours just go buy the time and spilt it with a friend. It will save you money and the headaches, like someone else said. But seriously, "23, almost 24"? You have all the time in the world pal. A year of flight instructing (especially with an MEI) will probably be better pay than at a regional AND you just might learn something on the way
Reply
Old 03-17-2006 | 08:51 PM
  #28  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
From: CRJ CA
Default

I just wanna know how you are able to throw down 40k on an airplane, im a UND student and i worry about just making my car insurance payments each month
Reply
Old 03-18-2006 | 03:23 PM
  #29  
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 260
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by undsioux1
I just wanna know how you are able to throw down 40k on an airplane, im a UND student and i worry about just making my car insurance payments each month

Well you save money, and if you dont have enough you take a loan. And yes i will be able to get it. I have been saving for a while (since 8th grade, and i have had like 4 jobs, getting money is the least of my worries.)

edik
Reply
Old 03-19-2006 | 04:01 PM
  #30  
falcon9
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Dont invest in aviation. You will never get a return of investments. Just when you get your 200-300hrs , who knows the airlines may require you to have shuttle commander time, lunar landings etc. My point is you will be better of investing in real estate,stocks & flipping it for profit. Still pursue aviation, but build a nest egg to pay the bills. It makes no sense to spend 70K to buy an airplane for multi time so you could get a job at a regional for 18K a year. There is no need to rush for an airline job. This is not the same industry any more. Many regionals are only asking for 100hrs of mutli these days. You could get that in an Fbo for free.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
TravisUK
Flight Schools and Training
6
05-28-2006 12:31 PM
UConnQB14
Flight Schools and Training
29
05-19-2006 07:53 PM
Cynthia Clough
Cargo
2
05-16-2006 05:36 PM
future jet jock
Flight Schools and Training
15
12-23-2005 08:30 PM
ifly
Hiring News
0
12-19-2005 09:30 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices