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Airsupport 08-08-2008 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 441002)
Like closing the door and replacing the parking brake? It is too easy to cheat with ACARS.

ah but when you are late you are late. no amount of parking brake or door fanagaling will get that clock back. its not easy to cheat with acars.

BankAngle09 08-08-2008 09:32 AM

yeah it is, zero it out

bored 08-08-2008 09:37 AM

OMG, is this thread going to turn into a thread about how ACARS airlines have skewed ontime performance? Saabs don't have ACARS but send the times electronically with no way to manipulate. Mesaba still turns in some of the best OT performance out there. I know it's easy to say that airlines that don't have hubs in the east coast corridor are in a different league for OT performance. Maybe it just boils down to a good operation? Even in the brutal winters that DTW and MSP have, NWA and their Airlinks still put up some great OT stats. No matter which way you look at it, the whole operation contributes to the OT performance of an airline.

Airsupport 08-08-2008 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by BankAngle09 (Post 441019)
yeah it is, zero it out

cant do that on our acars.. not that it matters anyway.

ebl14 08-08-2008 11:06 AM

At this point in the game it is good for us to continue with industry leading performance numbers. We all know that the company will drag their feet as long as possible, so its clear we shouldn't worry about proving our worth to the company. The reason why we need to continue with industry leading performance is to show the mediator that industry leading pilots deserve an industry leading contract!!! IF we had no chance of getting released by the NMB the best way to a contract might be different, but at this stage of the game its our best bargaining chip at the table in DC on the 25th.

Airsupport 08-08-2008 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 441085)
At this point in the game it is good for us to continue with industry leading performance numbers. We all know that the company will drag their feet as long as possible, so its clear we shouldn't worry about proving our worth to the company. The reason why we need to continue with industry leading performance is to show the mediator that industry leading pilots deserve an industry leading contract!!! IF we had no chance of getting released by the NMB the best way to a contract might be different, but at this stage of the game its our best bargaining chip at the table in DC on the 25th.

exactly. this is what i am talking about, thankyou. like i said they better show us the money at the end of the month or there will be no reason to continue this type of performance.

Windsor 08-08-2008 01:10 PM

Why are we getting into a p!ssing match over On Time numbers? Does it really matter?

9E pilots are not going to get a contract any time soon. We are in a damned if we do, damned if we dont situation. If we keep our numbers high, we look good as a group and can have that going for us at the table.
If we could ever get a decent "safety campaign" going we could force the company's hand. But do you really think Phil and Clive care? They have already made their millions. Pinnacle is their pet project, if it tanks, so what? They have made their money.

bored 08-08-2008 01:26 PM

Exactly... that's why I keep saying they won't settle until THEY HAVE TO. Right now there is no incentive to do so.

ebl14 08-08-2008 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by bored (Post 441167)
Exactly... that's why I keep saying they won't settle until THEY HAVE TO. Right now there is no incentive to do so.

You are absolutely right, the company won't settle till the Mediator releases us. We have a better chance of getting released with industry leading performance than being the worst...

sweptback 08-08-2008 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 441173)
You are absolutely right, the company won't settle till the Mediator releases us. We have a better chance of getting released with industry leading performance than being the worst...

With the current leadership in the NMB, you don't have a chance of being released at all.


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