You both are probably wrong anyway. You dont fly both airplanes and whatever wikipedia says is probably wrong. In the end its out of all of our hands which ones might get purchased. Take your high school drama somewhere else.

You ARE quoting the fuel load, not the thrust and you are wrong. You are talking about the airplane that I fly. I just quoted you the correct number from my manual. And I was NOT the original person who stated that the 900 was 30% more efficient than the 175. I was just asking you how you thought it made sense for it to be even 15% more efficient while weighing less than the 175 and having 10,0000lbs more thrust (as you claim) which would be a drastic increase in fuel flow and therefore NOT effiicient at all. Check your facts...ALL of them.

But Tinpusher,

Checking facts would degrade the comedic value of this entire thread.

That avatar is hilarious.

That avatar pretty much sums up the overall direction of this thread...

9 pages??????

How long have you been with Mesaba? I thought so. CRJ9 is also my aircraft. Maybe I am wrong maybe I am not. At this point who gives a ****. You and Jockstrap are both like obnoxious chihuahuas that won't let go of my shoelace. Only solution is to kick it a swift kick in the ###.

Not even sure why Jockstrap spend so much time in this thread. Aren't you the guy that drank too much company koolaid and always boasts about how great Skywest is? Why don't you go to the Skywest thread and stop pestering others here.

Like I said several times go back to the original thread. With you two pestering around here, no ones been able to say anything of any value.

I have yet to call you any names but yet you have chosen to resort to 12 year old antics and profanity. That’s pathetic and immature; I’d expect more from a “professional” pilot. Why have I posted on the forum? Simple, my natural curiosity drives me to read and learn seeing it is my chosen industry and everything affects everybody including myself. BTW; you to have posted on XJT, RAH, GoJet, TSA and SKW threads so stop being a hypocrite. Remember that this is a “public” forum.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...eal-delta.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ir-future.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ed-flying.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-1-2008-a.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...rloughing.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...t-skywest.html
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...463-gojet.html

Need any more proof? Proof? Now that’s something that you have a hard time producing. Bottom line……….you’re wrong and you can’t handle it. Even when your fellow XJ pilots quote your company’s manuals.

I’m not going to lower myself to your level and call you names. You are more than welcome to come back on here and continue to attack me, post rebuttals and do whatever the hell makes you feel better about yourself but the fact is you’re wrong and you’re arguing hear say that has been proven to be wrong.

Good Day.

How dare you question the all knowing Lighteningspeed! If he said it it is true!!!! Only the Mesaba 900 XXGEN aircraft have the capability of the extra thrust and only when he is sitting in his position as "Senior" Lead FA. He is the key that makes the Disney/Pixar engines come to life. He just sprinkles a little pixie dust on dem dare engInes and BAM! Extra Extra power. Works great when flying to the Neverland ranch.

Now that's funny. LOL!

For what its worth, I have been with Mesaba 1 year and 1 month approx. That fact has nothing to do with this debate. Furthermore, we wouldn't be still debating this issue if you would have simply acknowledged that your facts were incorrect. You didn't even make room for the possibility.

We work for the same company and fly the same plane, so theres no need to talk ******...I didn't do that to you, I just corrected you. As you said, who really cares how much power it is right, FADEC controls it and we set power based on N1 not lbs of thrust. Thats all I have to say about it anymore. Be safe out there Lighteningspeed!

Longer than you.

Quote:

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Maybe I am wrong

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You are.

You care. Take a look at how retarded your posts are. You are an embarrassment to this company.

English Proficient?

See above comment. Thats pretty much just you.

Here are a couple of nuggets for you. Good luck with recurrent.:o


MESABA AVIATION, INC. Group 2, Flight Operations Manual Volume 18A 1.13.1 CRJ-900 Pilot Operating Manual Chapter 1 Limitations Section 1.13 Power Plant 1.13 POWER PLANT A. Engine Type Two General Electric CF34-8C5 engines. 06 JUN 2007

Bombardier CRJ900 - Specifications

I vote to lock this thread. It's only proven that many pilots cannot discuss business senario's without resorting to personal attacks. Lock it please.

AGREED! Perhaps lightningspeed was one of our XJ FOs whom I saw on the Humphrey shuttle bus last winter wearing his epaulettes upside down and telling a Northwest mainline CA that he was "On the 9." The Northwest CA politely said "Son, you fly a 900, I fly the 9."

Whats the fun in that?:eek:
Isn't that the point of the my regional is gonna be better that your regional thread? When a thread has an open ended title it's open to interpretation.

Mesaba's future........:confused:
1. Nothing changes(my vote)

2. We have all of our planes bought by Pinnacle, lose our jobs, and close up shop.

3. We get every other regionals flying including hundreds more 900's(even though there is a scope) and rule the world!!!!!! Delta will be flying for us!

I wouldn't diss the company u work for...

You guys are just jealous that you don't fly the almighty Saab!!:cool:

HAHA!!!! What a dork!!!!

yeah that was a bit of a problem going around. What can you do....you hire a bunch of kids.... its going to be like a freaking high school. I hope they weren't expecting Young professionals over just kids being kids.
You know HR had always done a great job hiring people at mesaba 90% of the time.

why? .....

Okay sport. First off if you are a 900 FO.....most likely half the company is senior to you so don't act like you are all high and mighty. Number two, it is not your aircraft. Never has been and never will be. It is Northwest Airlines aircraft. You just push some buttons and pull some levers for the same pay of an FO carrying half the passengers.


I hope they keep pestering you because you are wrong. Your coworkers say you are wrong and from you attitude.....i'm not gonna side with you on this one.

I suggest you listen to other people's opinions, calm down a bit, and stop arguing things that do not matter.

To all the other guys......keep at him, a little humility on his part could go a long way.

I heard from this guy I know that has a friend that was sitting next to some NW captain that said he knew a guy that told him that Mesaba was sitting pretty with the Delta deal. I believe him. And we also have those AE Saabs coming too! Can't wait. . .

Hahahaha,

I started this thread wondering about additional options on our 900's somehow along the way we had:

a debate on the CRJ900 and ERJ-170

thrust differences between each

fuel lbs per hour burn

talk about the CRJ1000

people crapping on each other who work for the same company

some guy calling 10% of new hires kids



Fun S#@$

NO WE DON"T....PLEASE...

Only true statement!!!

I heard they are coming from Colgan

Where is lighteningboy?

Here is a little information for you. Other than the 36 Compass EMB-175's. No aircraft with more than 76 seats or 85,000 lbs may be flown by any DCI and must be flown by Delta Pilots. This includes the NWA Pilots since we both agreed to the JPWA (joint pilot working agreement). If Delta gets anything bigger than that it will be flown by mainline pilots. Also not to place fuel on any fires but Delta does have CRJ-900 (and comparable aircraft) rates in our present contract. I am not arguing the pros or cons of such a move just stating facts like the author of this thread requested. Any C-Series aircraft or anything bigger than the size limits mentioned above will be flown by mainline pilots unless relief in the contract is given. I doubt that will happen. :)

Selcall - thanks for imparting some actual fact into this trainwreck of a thread. In the JPWA what are the limits for 76 seat a/c? Is DCI at the cap yet including the Mesaba 900s and COmpass 175s? THe JPWA scope will help tell the story of the future at Mesaba.

Exception: Up to the 36 EMB-175s that were operated and/or ordered by Northwest prior to CBAID may continue to be operated with up to a maximum gross takeoff weight of 89,000 pounds.
e. once the number of permitted 76-seat jets is established, it will not be reduced. Exception one: If a pilot on the seniority list with an employment date prior to September 1, 2001 is placed on furlough, the Company will convert all 76-seat jets for operation as 70-seat jets.
Exception two: In the event the flow provisions of NWA LOA 2006-10 and LOA 2006-14 cease to be available, either at the feeder carrier affiliate referenced in such LOAs or at another carrier, the number of jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats specified in Section 1 B. 40. d. will revert to 85.
f. a carrier that operates any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004, may do so only if that carrier and the Company have agreed to terms for a preferential hiring process for pilots furloughed by the Company (i.e., a pilot furloughed by the Company will be given preferential hiring at a Delta Connection Carrier if he completes all new hire paper work, meets all new hire airman and medical qualifications, satisfies background checks and successfully completes an interview). The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to furloughed pilots under Section 1 B. 40. e., subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots, and subject to the Company’s hiring obligations under the NWA CBA LOAs as they appear in Attachment C (i.e. NWA LOA 2006-10, 2006-14, and 2008-01). A pilot hired by a Delta Connection Carrier operating any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004 will not be required to resign his Delta seniority number in order to be hired by such carrier. Preferential hiring rights at Delta Connection Carriers for pilots furloughed by the Company provided herein will be in addition to any flow down rights such furloughed pilots may have pursuant to the NWA CBA LOAs as they appear in Attachment C (i.e. NWA LOA 2006-10, 2006-14, and 2008-01).

I have no idea what happened to the formatting on the last post but there's the JPWA.

They are going to be pretty much right at the cap for the time being - maybe even a little over unless the MAG CRJ900 contract actually gets cancelled. That whole additional 18 options for E-175 or CRJ900 thing is effectively vaporized at DCC. The flow for XJ and CP remain unchanged. They can cancel the XJ flow without penalty. If the CP flow is cancelled they basically have to convert 35 76 seaters to 70 seaters. I have no idea how much total regional feed they have over 50 seats but they might have room for some more 70 seaters. If they were to add more E-175s some day they would have to be LR models to remain under the 86k limit. All CPS E-175s are currently LRs as the AR mod (89k) has not yet been certified.

sorry, duplicate post

Interesting - thanks for posting that. Anybody have any idea the exact amount of 76 seat a/c are currently operated at DCI? IF there are only 120 allowed and XJ and CP are already operating 72 of them, that leaves only 48 that could be operated at Pinnacle, Comair, Mesa and Skywest. 255, 70 seat a/c is a HUGE number! Looks like that could be the loophole DL will exploit.

INteresting bits about the flowthru as well. But where does it specifically mention Xj and CP in the flowthru language? Looks like deep furloughs aren't going to happen unless mainline wants to take the expense of converting 76 seaters into 70 seaters.

Does this answer the initial question of this thread? No, but it certainly puts to rest a ton of speculation by "people in the know" to rest.

Well, SKW has 17 with 4 more inked and on order, so that's 21 of the jets. How many does everyone else have?

Mesaba - 36
Compass - 36
Skywest - 21
Pinnacle - 16
Freedom - 14
Comair - ?

That already totals 123 and it isn't even counting the current Comair ones. Of course, the balance of the Pinnacle, Skywest, Freedom and Comair deliveries have yet to happen. Mesaba will have their 36 in a few months, I was under the impression Compass would as well. Aren't some of the Skywest planes in a 70 seat config? Seems to me that would be the solution for the overage... or just not take delivery of the overage and convert them to CRJ 700s instead.

When we first started receiving the 900 they were all configured to 70 but to my knowledge, and I've flown almost all of them, they are now all 76 seats.

I feel very curtain that SKW will retain their 4 deliveries for one may reason, we are DAL’s only West cost CR9 operator and they are planned for the SLC system. Also, all the other DAL/NWA operators are Midwest to East coast operators and that’s where most of the overlap will be felt.

Just my opinion and nothing more.

My big question is why did Mesaba buy a CRJ200 sim for only 17 airplanes. Seems like a fairly small fleet to buy a sim for. The prospects for getting more 200s seems slim but a sim for that small of a fleet just does not seem worth it.

As for more 900s, I would love to see us get a SLC or ATL base. I would be the first to bid that. A long shot but who knows. Please do not argue #2......I know its not going to happen. Save your breathe

From what I understand they are letting pan am use the 200 sim when we aren't, so its acutally a source of income for us on some level.

The sim can also be converted into a 900 sim, allowing some flexibility if they want it.

The reason we got the 200 SIM is because we got a real good deal on it from Bombardier. It's certainly not top of the line compared to the ones I trained in Montreal but it gets the job done.

Personally, I think once all the allotted planes get here there won't be much happening accept getting caught up with training and correcting ground support issues.

I think it's more likely that there will be a SAAB replacement than anymore 900's. No matter what happens I suspect nothing more will happen until the merger is complete.

I also think that NONE of the Delta or NWA regionals are safe be it contract or owned. I don't know how Delta is but NWA is ruthless with contracts - no matter the duration, contracts are subject to the whims of the mainline management. Here today, gone tomorrow.

From what I understand (told by MN in recurrent) is you have to take the CP's 36 out of the equation because they are included in the exemption (over 86,000 lbs) That makes the total number 156 76 seaters (120 <86,000 lbs and CP's exempted 36).