Eagle Accident @ BNA
08-09-2008 | 08:02 AM
#12
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thats no fun, kinda the reason i don't even touch that pesky lil pull knob in flight....Can remember photos of a 190 (think that's what it was) that blew all the tires, and ground down one of the wheel hubs to the axle. Has been said before that people occasionally use it as a memory item to (turn off the x-feed, etc) but, i'd just assume to use the card holder of the dash instead, no ill effects if i land with it out....the other one, people will notice.
08-09-2008 | 08:59 AM
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Some people take themselves too seriously... no speculation, the "confirmed" was that XJT had more than one land with the brake on.
At least they didn't attempt to power through the rollout. I saw one in El Paso do that when they got the nose stuck in the mud. They didn't need Air Stairs to unload the passengers.
At least they didn't attempt to power through the rollout. I saw one in El Paso do that when they got the nose stuck in the mud. They didn't need Air Stairs to unload the passengers.
08-09-2008 | 09:21 AM
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Usually the hydraulic fluid gets transferred from one system to the other due to the improper setting of the parking brake over a long period of time. After takeoff, the gear uses quite a bit of fluid causing one hydraulic system to get into the yellow, while the other is completely full. the 135, 140, and 145's can transfer hydraulic fluid by pushing the toe brakes and setting the parking brake and releasing if you want to do this move about 100 times to transfer the fluid back where it came from and even the fluid quantities between both systems. Though its not a good practice, Ive seen it done many times in flight, and unfortunately crews have locked up the brakes or forgot to release the parking brake before landing.
08-09-2008 | 11:02 AM
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And for the record 830.5 says—
The operator of any civil aircraft...shall immediately...notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:
(a) An aircraft accident, or any of the following listed incidents occur:
(1) Flight control...failure;
(2) [Crew member incapacitation]
(3) [Structural failure of a turbine engine excluding compressor/turbine blades/vanes]
(4) In flight fire;
(5) Aircraft collide in flight;
(6) Damage to property other than the aircraft...exceed[ing] $25,000...;
(7) [Additional incidents for heavy aircraft including electrical or hydraulic, and emergency evacuations].
The operator of any civil aircraft...shall immediately...notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:
(a) An aircraft accident, or any of the following listed incidents occur:
(1) Flight control...failure;
(2) [Crew member incapacitation]
(3) [Structural failure of a turbine engine excluding compressor/turbine blades/vanes]
(4) In flight fire;
(5) Aircraft collide in flight;
(6) Damage to property other than the aircraft...exceed[ing] $25,000...;
(7) [Additional incidents for heavy aircraft including electrical or hydraulic, and emergency evacuations].
08-09-2008 | 01:39 PM
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You're assuming the brakes were locked. You're also assuming that with 4 blown out main tires there was no other damage to anything else.... IE - Rims. Besides, a 121 carrier popping the over wing emergency exits and emergency evacking and leaving a runway closed for hours will certainly get somebodys attention and require some form of paperwork.
08-09-2008 | 01:48 PM
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Paperwork and a good @$$ chewing but probably not an accident. 4 popped tires don't fall in the accident category. You are correct, if anything else was damaged it could be an accident. I know a pilot that taxiied under a short hangar and damaged the tail and that was considered an accident due to the cost of the repair. So if any structural damage happened it could be an accident, otherwise it is an incident.
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