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08-15-2008, 08:10 AM

#31

norskman2

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Position: CRJ FO

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Originally Posted by bored

9E only had 15 planes transferred to XJ, not 17. We already had 2 CRJs that were delivered new to us in 2005. As for who's safer - a wholly owned or a cost + contractor? It's a matter of conjecture. The folks at the wholly owned think they're safer for efficiency, infastructure, performance, fuel cost and pride reasons. The folks at the cost plus contractors feel safer because of efficiency, infastructure, performance, fuel cost, contract and pride reasons. In the end, it's all up to the mother ship and until their cards are shown, nobody knows.

Well stated.

08-15-2008, 08:18 AM

#32

matlok

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Position: ERJ-175

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Originally Posted by norskman2

Well stated.

Ditto. Only time will tell.

08-15-2008, 09:51 AM

#33

BlueMoon

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92

Max of 255 total 70+ seat "RJ's", OF WHICH 120 can be 76 seaters. Thats the new JCBA scope language. Also Johnso28 is right the compass 175s were grandfathered in as the only "RJ's" that can exceed the max takeoff weights in the scope language.

Doesn't Shuttle America fly some 175's for DL? (I thought they were swapping out the DL 170's for 175's)...What will happen to those are those grandfathered also?

08-15-2008, 10:22 AM

#34

Superpilot92

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Originally Posted by BlueMoon

Doesn't Shuttle America fly some 175's for DL? (I thought they were swapping out the DL 170's for 175's)...What will happen to those are those grandfathered also?

Well I am no expert on E175's but someone mentioned before that there are different versions of E175's with different MATOW. The compass 175's were over the weight allowed which is why they were grandfathered. If there is a version of the 175 that has a weight below that than it can be swapped out. Now the question would be is if the 120 76 seaters has been reached then the 175's that would be swapped will have to be 70 seaters. Maybe someone else with more knowledge on the E175's will chime in on the different versions.

08-15-2008, 10:56 AM

#35

H46Bubba

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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde

I honestly feel "safer" at 9E than I would at Compass or Mesaba...if our NWA language holds up, the merged company would basically end up with a couple of wholly owned carriers (Comair & Mesaba) who have 900s, and a few well-performing regionals with lots of 50s and actual legal contracts stating minimum numbers of a/c allowed (Skywest, ASA, 9E). If one were in management wondering what to do, it would be the least costly and least hassle option to simply swap XJ and Comair 900s onto 9E, ASA/Skywest, and park the 200s in the desert....since there are no protections I know of at XJ or Comair protecting from such an action.

I'm not saying that's a good thing, or I wish that to happen, just making an observation...there is going to be a surplus of 200s at carriers with contractual minimums, and there are going to be a good chunk of 900s at a place that has zero contractual minimums or protections.

Comair is leasing our 900's not Delta, so no they can not be given to 9E, ASA or SkyWest. I'm not sure about XJ's -900's as to if Northwest or Mesaba are paying those leases. Now the Freedom -900's will always be up for grabs unless Delta passes the leases on to Comair. No aircraft leased or owned by a wholly owned can be sold or transfered by the parent company. All the aircraft Comair has lost were all leased by Delta or were at the end of their leases initited by Comair.

08-15-2008, 11:09 AM

#36

higney85

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Posts: 2,525

alrighty.... here is what I am coming up with... I am wanting other folks to correct any figures I have wrong- not bash!

Pinnacle 16 CR9's @ 76 seats, 126 CR2 @ 50 seats
Mesaba 49 Saab, 36 CR9@ 76 seats
Compass 36 EMB175 @76 (grandfathered)
ASA 110 CR2, 11 ATR, 110 CR2, 39 CR7 @ 70
SkyWest ? CR2, 17 CR9 @ 70 seats (according to skywest.com?)
Republic (shuttle) 44 Emb170 @ 70 seats, EMB 175 in 70/76?
Mesa losing 14 CRJ @ 76- (We know comair gets em- just getting a tally here)
Comair 128 CR2, 15 CR7 @ 70, 13 CR9 @76

totals= Trprop 60
CR2= lots and lots (380 not counting mesa and any others I may have listed in the above list- these are 50 seats and not in the scope issue at hand)
70 seat class= 115
76 seat= 79 ( not counting compass and including mesa's 14 up for speculation)

255- 115-79= 61 51+ market available.
120- 79= 41 in the 76 seat class
only 60 tprops currently- limited to 70K# or 70 pax. Not sure if the Q400 can fit in there.

If 76 seaters are "maxed" at 120 per scope there is an option for 20 more at the 70 seat market. Please add/correct anything wrong here. This is 2 pilots running math with help of Jack Daniels.....