The TAT is just where they hung their bag full of confiscated material, 40s of refreshment, bonus checks for staying on the job 3 weeks in a row and end of the day donuts/bagels/etc while they did an inspection looking for a way in..... No way anyone did much scalin'.

What is so unbelievable?

I loved the 3oz’s of fuel, classic.

What a moron/s.

Quote: ""Our inspector was following routine procedure for securing the aircraft that were on the tarmac," Montenegro told ABCNews.com."

LOL! Really?

You're right pops!!! Thanks for catching my grammar error. I made a mistake and I see what I have done wrong.:eek: Learning= a change of behavior as a result of experience. Still, I didn't make the same mistake 9 times and not realize it. I am not perfect, but I am making progress!!!

Why is it that the TSA at times reminds me of Police Academy?:eek:
Wonder when ppl will get fed up with this and you know damn good and well the higher ups at the TSA know whats going on and continue to ignore it .

What, our government? .........No..........I can't believe it. I thought they were perfect, 100% honest, highly educated and never made mistakes. :rolleyes: :D

Funny you guys schould mention the TSA because i could have swore I saw what looked like SWAT hanging out at an Amtrak terminal on the news about 2-3 weeks ago.
Of course it only took them about aheeem :rolleyes:6 years to catch up lol.

Sorry Flyboy... it is true...

here is the ABC news article for you

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5613502&page=1

Tell it to these folks.... apparently this is "routine procedures" for TSA now

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5613502&page=1

Where is breaking airplanes in the course of "Routine procedures". TSA agents by far are nothing but a bunch of high school drop outs, authority problems, reject cops etc. etc. etc. Perfect bunch of disgruntled rouges to handle the security of the nations air travelers.

Maybe it's time they got a uniformed nation wide policy and procedure thing going and one that prevents them from out right law breaking as they did at ORD.

Unbelievable. Completely pathetic. That same competence could very well be the new government run healthcare model.

Am I the only one whose really excited about clearing security tomorrow?

TSA: You're in the wrong line. Employees have to go to Lane 5.
ME: I'm just trying to get to my airplane early to make sure you guys didn't use my Pitot Tube as a jungle gym.

You know, I have always wondered how much is enough. Now I know, I should ALWAYS stop at 9. 9 beers, and now I know 9 TAT probes are enough.

I saw someone said they targeted AE planes because they felt they weren't being secured properly at night. Why did they feel this way and what makes them think that AE would be the only ones not securing well. When I first heard this I was completely speechless!!

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im...ou-Posters.jpg

...can prevent takeoffs with bent AOA probes.

Seriously... At least we aren't reading an NTSB report of stick shaker/pusher activation on rotation... thank goodness it was only TAT probes... but still. Kudos to the crews on thorough preflights catching the TSA damage.

I hope this agent is held responsible for the damage. If I leave a jetbridge door open I get a fine, so does that mean if they break our planes they have to pay for repairs? I wonder what the total cost of this is going to be....9 TAT probes and flight cancellations and late flights causing misconnects. From what I can tell from the ORD delay report alot of flights were delayed that didn't have broken probes because they were being inspected to be sure.

PS
Sorry if I used bad grammer/spelling.....been up over 36hrs. Oh, if I don't get my bonus check this month because of this somebody owes me $75.

Not only responible for the damage. This is a serious federal offense. Tampering with company property and attempted murder. "Routine inspections my A#@". This agent should be held to the full extend of the federal law.. What a F'n idiot!

From the article on abc.com:

Pilots were furious at the TSA misstep.



"The brilliant employees used an instrument located just below the cockpit window that is critical to the operation of the onboard computers," one pilot wrote on an American Eagle internet forum. "They decided this instrument, the TAT probe, would be adequate to use as a ladder," the pilot wrote.

Another pilot wrote the TSA agents, "are now doing things to our aircraft that may put our lives, and the lives of our passengers at risk."



I was kind of surprised to see what was being said on another forum was quoted in the article. I guess now more than ever is a good time to keep the discussion as professional and informative, while still having a good time poking fun at TSA;), keeping in mind just who is reading these forums. As long as the media is going to be quoting some of the posts on forums like this, we might as well provide them with some quality posts to help improve the media's current reputation for their coverage of any news related to the airlines:cool:

I think that whoever promises to get rid of the TSA will get the vote of every pilot here at APC, down with the GED morons!

Speaking of which, check out the article at Aero-News:

Aero-News Network: The Aviation and Aerospace World's Daily/Real-Time News and Information Service


At least one member of the media took it seriously..

agreed, lots of insults towards TSA that are true but still written in a very classy format!

Those Stupid Asholes have gone too far!:mad:

How about a story on the exploitation of workers....ie: Airline pilots making less than $20k.

Our CEO makes more in one day then our F/O's do in a year.

Talk about a safety issue......

Way to go Jim Campbell, well written! If I ever catch a member of the TSA crawling around my airplane I am calling the police (or exercising my 2nd amendment rights!).

Jim Campbell is a man among men. This article should be read by everyone and I mean everyone! I enjoyed refusing access to my a/c to a TSA agent who didn't have his proper ID's and I will enjoy restricting them in the future. I've also enjoyed doing what I can to correct their ignorance when they are trying to enforce rules that don't exist upon FLT crew and PAX.

Bottom line, these acts are downright criminal and need to be stopped. The overwhelming majority TSA agents are highly uneducated morons who are taking their power trip way too far.

Thank you Jim!

Why would you want Bear Arms ?

( Thank you,Thank you, I'll be here all week...)

The real motivation for the attempted ingress:

A couple TSA agents heard about crews hiding porn in the Cockpit. They had a break and wanted to inspect the contraband. Be thankful they didn't get in. Imagine the crunchy seat covers and p@cker tracks on the yokes!

I too have learned most of my civics from "Family Guy" :)

"This was an extraordinarily dangerous incident, folks. The TSA has neither the mandate nor the knowledge to inspect any aircraft for any reason. The stupidity of this matter is nearly unbelievable... until you hear that the TSA is involved... then it becomes understandable, though still tragic. And I can not tell you how frustrating it is, to see them continue to hurt an industry that they were created to protect."

Jim Campbell is my new hero. The article he wrote is excellent and voices the real concerns that the professional piloting world has with the ridiculous TSA.

I say that TSA personnel should not be allowed past the security checkpoint, that the rest of the airport should be the territory of real police with real training and experience. The TSA idiots with their Cracker Jack badges have no business on the ramp. None.

If the TSA ever gets mixed up with general aviaiton I hope they start out their glorious riegn of terror by walking into props.

-35 TSA agents killed in separate incidents in the first week of general aviation inpsection duty when they appraoched running aircraft...

Thank you....

"hi I'm XYZ with the TSA, I'd like to board the plane for a security inspection."

"Hi, I'm Capt ABC; just answer a few questions for me.... one; what type of airplane is this?; second, what training have you had in this make and type of aircraft to be able to determine what does - and what does not - belong on board the aircraft?"

"Oh, none.... ok, thanks.... Sorry, my crew and I do not have time to teach you what does and doesn't belong, now... please step out of the way so my passengers can board on time. Thank you."

works most all the time. Called into CP's office once... he couldn't stop laughing

TSA: Information on Chicago Aircraft Inspections

Says that "the inspector" gained access to 7 of the 9.

Possible civil penalties will be levied.

You have GOT to be kidding me! That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. The stupid fu*^ing TSA breaks 9 of Eagle's planes, causing damage that has yet to be totaled, causing hundreds of people to miss connections, costing the airline even more money, then has the gall to levy fines on them?!? Unbelievable!

The idiocy and arrogance (dangerous combination, by the way) of this agency baffles me on a near-daily basis.

FYI: Aero-news posted a follow-up; it looks like this TSA agent has done such (terrorist?) acts before.. and that the agency is encouraging such behavior.

Good Gawdamighty.
Aero-News Network: The Aviation and Aerospace World's Daily/Real-Time News and Information Service

TSA agents are good for one thing and one thing only. Stacking trays.

I am speechless...

This moronic behaivor does not surprise me one bit.

I was once told by a TSA person, that they have trouble distinguishing between a cell phone and a knife on the x-ray machine display.

That is awsome

Am I missing something here? Has there been a memo I overlooked where we now have locks installed on the main cabin and service doors? Or can anyone still access an aircraft by the incredibly complicated method of simply opening the door? Is it no longer SOP to secure RONs by pulling the jetbridge? And how was the inspector unable to get on board two of these aircraft!?!

Stupid question since I'm instrument rated and should probably know this: What is TOTAL air temperature? Total of what?

Absolutely..................the FREAKING doors aren't locked!!!!!!!!! What the hell do they expect? Other than that pathetic little security sticker :eek: what's going to keep anyone from entering an a/c.

OK, here's how we solve this problem................we'll install a viper car alarm with door locks (keep the keys with ops) on all the a/c and if that doesn't keep these idiots away then....................snakes on the plane! :D

Total Air Temperature (TAT) is a term used generally in aviation. In other applications it is called stagnation temperature. Total air temperature is measured by a specially designed temperature probe mounted on the surface of the aircraft. The probe is designed to bring the air to rest relative to the aircraft. As the air is brought to rest kinetic energy is converted to internal energy. The air is compressed and experiences an adiabatic increase in temperature. Therefore total air temperature is higher than the static (or ambient) air temperature.

Total air temperature is an essential input to an air data computer in order to enable computation of static air temperature and hence true airspeed.

Total air temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia