Republic Pilots, The Revolution Begins...
 

Just got a phone call tonight. Apparently the Teamsters are not too happy with the uproar within the pilot group. They have threatened 150 pilots who have been outspoken about our RIGHT to representation in support of our WRONGFULLY terminated Captain and First Officer. These threats have included fining the pilots with outrageous sums of money, and then having those pilots terminated on grounds of "Not withstanding Union Member." All because comments have been made about holding an election to remove the IBT and hold a vote for new representation.

It is no secret that our own Union is robbing us, not only of our money but the representation we PAY for. The Teamsters is forgetting one very important thing - THEY WORK FOR US. WE PAY THEIR SALARY. If they think they are going to threaten our jobs and our livelyhood, they have got another thing coming to them. If these threats come to each member personally, or they come to fruition, the IBT, along with each of its EXCO members, will be presented with a Federal Law suit from the Department of Labor on behalf of those pilots threatened.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. If you are a Republic Airways Pilot, NOW is the time to stand united with your pilot group and your fellow coworkers. We will not let the unjust actions that occured to our 8 year Captain, J. ,go unpunished. I don't care whether you think the Teamsters do anything for you or not, what they are doing is ILLEGAL an IMMORAL. It is time to stand behind your fellow brother on the line.

Regardless of what Union representation you want at this company, stand behind us to rid this company of the IBT. We can not do this without your support, and without your support, 150 pilots will surely go down fighting. We want a vote to decertify the Teamsters.

This is the turning point in our pilot group. I am a junior pilot here, but there are countless Republic brothers much senior to me that are rising up to fight for this pilot group and I stand behind them 100%. Please do not let them down, please do not let us down.

Spread the word, because the revolution is coming, either you're in or your out. And don't worry about ILLEGAL threats from the Teamsters, one more threat and we take this entire case to the media, including the Department of Labor and the NMB.

Go to Republicpilots.org and voice your opinion. Thank you!

When did the teamsters make this threat?

You've gotta be kidding me. I have my own opinions about IBT, but airing this on a public forum read by the whole free world is retarded. Take it back to RP.org and get your support there.

Teamsters are a bunch of crooks and a worthless organization. It makes ALPA look like Jesus. Well maybe that's a little extreme.:p But they have no idea what it is that they are doing in the airline industry. Personally I opted out of being a part of this union when they represented a company I worked for.

Good luck guys!!

Viva La Resistance!

Airdale,
jusy by reading the lastest on rp.org (mostly that posted by ZH) i would guess this is going to die quickly. I would be for throwing out the union, however, sadly as the union has not done its job I am one who is out of a job (and close to $500 poorer in dues, initialtion fees and "counsel fee") after less than 8 months online. What a waste and the union is one of several reasons i will happily "bypass" any recall that happens to come my way.


Sharky,
We have every right to come to this public forum and make some noise for our cause just like everyone else. If you dont want to hear about it dont click it.

It has been known throught many years that teamsters are a corrupt organization. I does not surprise me at all their attitude. What does surprise me more is that there is still pilot groups represented by them. all they care is for the money they can get from their members and any side deals they can cut with management under the table. Not to much difference from other unions but a least others unions will stand for their members when rainning days comes.

I think it'd be easier to contact the republic pilots by going to republicpilots.org don't you think? You are speaking pretty strong on behalf of a lot of people without their consent. Might want to think twice. There are ways to go about things and this isn't it. He's a 5yr CA by the way. Who are these 150 guys you're talking about? The furloughs? I'm wondering who you are and how long you've been with the company as this seems like a rant put together after a very brief reading of several posts at the same time. A little piece from each post misconstrued into one story of yours. Check your facts first before trying to take something to the streets. No one here has any say over anything that happens. No reason to bring it here.

Say what you will about the content of Airdale's post, but it seems as if it's getting dangerous to post anything negative on RP.org these days. I don't know about 150, but I wouldn't be surprised if 5-10 guys get fined from what they've posted. If Soda Machine Gene does decide to lawyer up and go after some of these guys, I think a medium like this would certainly be a tool in rallying support.

A medium like this? That's exactly what RP.org is. A private site where all post are only intended for those pilots who are members.

Duty of Fair Representation

Come on...are y'all REALLY whining about the OP?! Get a grip! I seem to remember a few of you asking XJT Pilots to share info only found on their board not too long ago :rolleyes:

But what this guy says is completely inaccurate. If anyone believes what he's written then they'd immediately form a very wrong opinion about what is going on. He's speaking on our behalf when it's not wanted and is full of false statements.

We are all pilots and what affects one group concerns us all. IF union representation is doing something immoral/illegal then I think it's fine to let other's know. After all, it is us who make the union. They are there because we are here, not the other way around. This is a forum...get it off your chest, and some of us need not be so sensitive

I have not seen any threats from any of our union or exco. I think they know if they did such a stupid move that it would alienate them even more from, not only our union, but the entire pilot groups of all airlines. It certainly would NOT go unnoticed. But again, as of this date, I have not seen any threats. If I do, I will be the first one to post it on here for all to be able to form their own opinions.

I would advise everyone (rah pilots especially) to watch what they say on any site! Not trying to opress! Just advise......? And to the original poster..... Get your facts straight man!

I have no problem with information being posted. Word of mouth travels nearly as fast. The one thing I do have a problem with is erroneous information being passed along as fact to all who are not involved.

Talk about anything and everything. Furloughs, pay concessions, union issues, etc. Just keep it factual and not a poorly thought out rant with no backing.

you need to pay more attention. It is obvious from the posts now on rp.org that people have been threaten as the "I have never condoned" threads are popping up by multiple people (SG, ZH etc etc) to distance themselves. They are taking names and the teamsters WILL TERMINATE anyone for TREASON that tries to overthrow them or even have the Government re-manned by someone other then the oh-so-great Gene and Tiff. Dont believe me? I can line you up with the numbers of those that will not publically denounce the Teamsters because they have been very clearly warned that even a word about it will cost them their job. Even the "informations posts" (you know the ones..."i will not condon this and will have nothing to do with it, I'm out...but if you do: this is where I would look/how I would start") are very much in fear of a lost job and have retracted even these posts to save themselves.

The Teamsters are wrong. They have poorly represtented the RJet pilots allowing more furloughs then needed without any pressusre on the company to save jobs, poor contract language resulting in abuse and loop-holes for every greivence, the unlawful and non-represtatation of an entire crew termination based on the word of a hotel house cleaner (but not until after the company allowed them to finish the trip...) and much more. My money, my votes and my confidence are lost with Teamsters.

As a point to show how much they care only about their money: all the pilots being furloughed, all first years on probation, the teamsters have sent out a bill to for the FULL AMOUNT of intial fees and any back dues owed before they lose their jobs and cant take them out of their paychecks anymore. Nice.

First off there is hasn't been much denouncing of the Teamsters publicly. RP.org is not a public sight. Secondly ZH & SG have kept the same stance from the get go.

This site is (relatively) anonymous. It's clear that what you say on the other site can be held against you.

Airdale is just a Class A whiner, he will find something wrong with everything and go ***** about it.

this site is not as anonymous as you would think! I know the identity of quite of few people that don't know me (at least I don't think they do) through word of mouth! Remember the aviation community is relatively small and six degrees of separation couldn't be more true!

Cheers

It's not clear. I don't know of anyone who's been targeted. That website is a private meeting place. It's not funded by the company nor union and is not an official means of communication. I have yet to speak with anyone who's had anything held against them. The only reason I feel somewhat confident is because if there was a list of names, based on statements from RP.org, I'd probably be on it. I honestly feel you have less protection here where everything is public.

We PM'ed each other the other day didn't we?

I don't think so...but I know who you are:D

i think its pretty easy to figure out who is who on this website...

Now this "revolt" is more of some of us are wondering why we are paying union dues if we arent going to get anything out of it. Now im not saying the teamsters are the problem or our present attorneies are the problem, or maybe even the exco but for one reason or another alot of us are feeling betrayed. I dont know how many other people out there like or dislike their unions but it is well with in our right to make sure we are getting the representation and services that we pay for.

I do want to read about it. The more I read about it the more I realize how immature and ill-informed our pilot group is. The fact that some of it's members would bring this into a public forum only furthers that belief for me. I'm sorry guys are getting furloughed, but I'm amazed that this is somehow the Union's fault. Not the companies for failing to protect the business or find homes for 17 E-170's...but the UNION's!!!

You guys can complain when you do something to help out. Until then....****.

Yeah not for public consumption right now.

I can't comment on this thread, but I would recommend that all of you do a little research on the history of the Teamsters for your own good.

No apologies for quitting Teamsters mob probe

Been a Teamster for a decade and a half in flying positions. Me thinks you should look to your EXCO and not to the IBT in general. After all, the union is YOU and your elected reps.
Cheers.
WG

thought better of it ....and self deleted.

Some Southern pilots found out about that the hard way not too long ago !:eek:

Somebody is paying attention. ;)

If you would open your eyes, you would see what the Teamsters are doing. Of course they wouldn't make public threats, which is why you don't see them. If you think they would make public threats, which we all know are illegal, than obviously you live in a sheltered box.

The whole point of making these actions public is to make known the cowardly actions that the IBT are willing to take against their OWN members, who PAY their salaries. Republic pilots were merely supporting our fellow flight crew, and in the heat, some things were said about the representation, or should I say "lack of" representation by the IBT. In turn, the IBT has followed up with threats.

If you're a Republic pilot and you are unaware of whats going on, than you need to visit RP.org and open your eyes. Read between the lines of the posts your fellow pilots have made about "I'm out". After all, this is YOUR representation that is selling our pilots down the river.

Say what you want about airing this post here, its accomplished what we've wanted. Thanks for those in support!

Problem is that it is the EXCO going after them and they have access and even admin rights on rp.org.

Can anyone post what they terminated the pilots for?

Never heard anything about it.

RP.org is still private. The intention lies there within. That's like them trying to fire us because we met in the bar, talked about the union, and they lip read us from across the room.

I don't blame the union for the furloughs in the first place. I blame the union for doing next to nothing to minimize the furloughs. They offer 2-3 suggestions to the company, the company says "nah, I don't think so," and thats the end of it????? BS.

As far as having the right to complain, I've been with the company less than 9 months, and have volunteered 3 times to help out the union. All 3 times they said: "We'll get back to you..."

I hope things get better after all this. People on both sides of the table are opening their eyes & ears.

This isn't about the furloughs. Time for you to get your facts straight. At least know what you are talking about if you are gonna respond on here. This is about a crew getting fired for heresay and the union sitting on their hands and doing nothing. It then evolved to some making remarks about maybe it is time for a new union. Then it went to claims the union is threatening people, WHICH I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN P R O O F OF ! ! !

I understand you guys want proof. If I was personally threatened, you'd have your proof. Problem is, the few that have had the talk with the EXCO, are not posting at all. They're contacting legal resources and the such to know their rights. After all, they've just had their jobs threatened. Don't expect to see "immediate" proof of the accused actions.

The IBT is rapidly trying to dispell any rumor about threats made. They are breaking out the damage control kit because they know they can't get away with scare tactics. You can believe your Union or you can believe your fellow pilots. You take your choice. What has your union done for you lately anyway?

More will come to develop on this case, the problem is some people are engaged in some legal battles and therefore can not disclose public information about threats. We don't believe the union has a list, but we've been told they presented a bunch of posted information on the RP website and presented it to the 747 Counsel, because we are engaging in Treason per the ByLaws.

Yeah, don't misunderstand my posting. I am supporting my fellow pilots in this. But, to make an informed decision and conclusion about the situation, I would like to see proof. I do, now, understand that there very well may have been threats made and I understand the inability to comment on such at this time due to the legal process. Here is hoping the legal process works for us pilots and thus a new start. Best of luck to the falsely terminated and currently union bullied pilots.