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STILL GROUNDED 09-13-2008 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by utedrummer (Post 461203)
Empty threat from the company. Only those that dont know any better will be bullied back by that lie. Typical of RAH.


Typical of any company anymore. :mad:

WhizWheel 09-14-2008 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by mav204 (Post 460996)
I think that reminding the RAH guys that they NEED better work rules and pay rates is productive!
I know that my contract isn't perfect, but it at least it pays me for what I fly! And I WILL NOT take concessions to fly a bigger aircraft

Ahhh another know-it-all pilot on his soapbox. Perhaps if you could take the time to tell us what beloved company you work for, your current zero credibility would increase. Otherwise we will assume you are a ramper, cfi, mechanic talking about a subject he knows nothing about.

utedrummer 09-14-2008 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 461240)
Typical of any company anymore. :mad:

Sadly, true.
Career change anyone? :(

Rightseat Ballast 09-14-2008 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 460907)
"Fatigue "isn't a tremendous issue" for the 2,000 pilots at Republic Airways Holdings Inc., which owns three commuter carriers, according to Wayne Heller, chief operating officer, adding that the airline's work rules are stricter than the FAA's. "If we have fatigue," he says, "it's due to unplanned circumstances" outside the company's control."


After seing this assinine staement, just what kind of trip rigs do you have in your contract and does one contract cover all the units?

Trip Rigs don't prevent fatigue. They may give incentive for the company to avoid unproductive schedules, but even a productive trip can be fatiguing. I just finished a 20 hour 3 day, which would not have benefited from trip or duty rigs, and I was plenty tired by the end.

ToiletDuck 09-14-2008 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by mav204 (Post 460996)
I think that reminding the RAH guys that they NEED better work rules and pay rates is productive!
I know that my contract isn't perfect, but it at least it pays me for what I fly! And I WILL NOT take concessions to fly a bigger aircraft

How much should a 70 seat CA make?

Rightseat Ballast 09-14-2008 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by mav204 (Post 460996)
I think that reminding the RAH guys that they NEED better work rules and pay rates is productive!
I know that my contract isn't perfect, but it at least it pays me for what I fly! And I WILL NOT take concessions to fly a bigger aircraft

Um, the problem is our contract does pay us for what we fly. trip rigs, duty rigs, and cancellation pay fall under the category of getting paid while not flying. We only get paid to fly (and deadhead). And I still fail to see how our current 70 and 78 seat pay scales are at all concessionary, considering they were an improvement over our previous contract, and they are on par with or better than nearly every regional. No pay cuts were enacted to get the larger aircraft on property (they were not on property at the time of contract signing), and pay rates on all aircraft went up at contract signing. There are no talks of pay concessions during current negotiations, no dangling carrot of larger aircraft from management, and no pressure from management to give concessions during the current financial woes of our industry.

NonRev4Life 09-14-2008 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 461372)
How much should a 70 seat CA make?

no kidding, I nominate mav, to sit in front of Wayne Heller and have him negotiate a contract better than Southwests for us. Cause every post I have read of his so far would make him the self proclaimed Chuck Norris of the industry.

WhizWheel 09-14-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 461378)
Um, the problem is our contract does pay us for what we fly. trip rigs, duty rigs, and cancellation pay fall under the category of getting paid while not flying. We only get paid to fly (and deadhead). And I still fail to see how our current 70 and 78 seat pay scales are at all concessionary, considering they were an improvement over our previous contract, and they are on par with or better than nearly every regional. No pay cuts were enacted to get the larger aircraft on property (they were not on property at the time of contract signing), and pay rates on all aircraft went up at contract signing. There are no talks of pay concessions during current negotiations, no dangling carrot of larger aircraft from management, and no pressure from management to give concessions during the current financial woes of our industry.

There it is

Dougdrvr 09-15-2008 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 461366)
Trip Rigs don't prevent fatigue. They may give incentive for the company to avoid unproductive schedules, but even a productive trip can be fatiguing. I just finished a 20 hour 3 day, which would not have benefited from trip or duty rigs, and I was plenty tired by the end.


Maybe you should have just dropped it, or can't you do that?

cbire880 09-15-2008 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 461859)
Maybe you should have just dropped it, or can't you do that?

With the standard staffing levels at RAH, dropping a trip to open is next to impossible. There are the occasional excpetions, but you generally plan to fly what you are awarded.


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