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stoki 09-20-2008 09:19 AM

I also think some form of regulation is necassary. Made a poll about it in a different forum and 65% would be in favor of reregulation. The industry is too unstable being completely unregulated.

As to informing the public, I think we should all walk around in full uniform, dressed our best, hat and all with a big sign on our backs stating our position, and how little we make. "Airline First Officer, I make less then 20,000$ a year." In my case this year it will probably be less then 18, but who's counting..

Joachim 09-20-2008 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by stoki (Post 465302)
I also think some form of regulation is necassary. Made a poll about it in a different forum and 65% would be in favor of reregulation. The industry is too unstable being completely unregulated.

As to informing the public, I think we should all walk around in full uniform, dressed our best, hat and all with a big sign on our backs stating our position, and how little we make. "Airline First Officer, I make less then 20,000$ a year." In my case this year it will probably be less then 18, but who's counting..


Who had the power to cry for deregulation and get their way in the first place. Was it the CEO's or lobbies of some sort?

stoki 09-20-2008 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 465305)
Who had the power to cry for deregulation and get their way in the first place. Was it the CEO's or lobbies of some sort?

Not to go OT but

I believe it was lobbies of some sort. The CEO's I would imagine were quite happy with it as they as well as their airlines were making nice profits.

Airlines making nice profits... who woulda thought, a buisness where you actually make money.. what a novel concept.

here is a good article :

Why airline reregulation is no longer taboo

Why airline reregulation is no longer taboo - USATODAY.com

pokey9554 09-20-2008 10:36 AM

My $.02

One euro is worth about $1.60US. That being said, with oil at $102/barrel, European counrties are paying about $63US per barrel.

That is not to blame the demise of our profession solely to the price of oil, but when combined with the corporate greed of almost all airline management people, the diversity of our unions, and the laws in place preventing any type of productive action against this mistreatment, I can understand how this is happening.

papacharlie 09-20-2008 10:43 AM

this industry I think needs some type of regulation,lets say to fly from A to B, taking in considerations all the cost involved in that particular flight should cost X $$ right? well I would say everybody can flight that route but the ticket price is going to cost X$$ and airlines will be competing to each other on other type of benefits ...like better service,better planes ,and that route will be profitable for everyone involve in it.
the regulator would be controlling minimum prices and watching who is dropping them to bring down other airlines with the intention of monopolized the route.
another thing that nobody talks about is the with this type of capitalism airlines cut cost everywhere they can(to be able to survive) and sometimes putting people's life in risk like AA,SOUTHWEST did flying those MD,737 without complying with the FAA.

STILL GROUNDED 09-20-2008 10:44 AM

Not sure its been mentioned or not but the cost of living in alot of those countrys is much higher. Gas for expample has been $6-7 a gallon for years. I used ot teach some english students who told me it would be the equivilent of $20k to get a private in europe vs the $5500 at the school I taught.

milky 09-20-2008 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by papacharlie (Post 465286)
well by now everybody who tought free capitalism without regulation was the way to go..we saw this week what free capitalism can do for you...now we all have to bail out this private companies because there where nobody regualting or checking what they were doing...what we need is some kind of regulation and say to the unions,congress and the public what we Need and Want to keep doing this job. We (pilot groups) need to be united as a hole.this is the time to standup and say enough.


Besides the grammar and spelling, this is a pretty ignorant post. No offense, but the bail-outs that happened were not because of lack of regulation. They were because of over-regulation. I'm sure I won't convince you on a chat board like this, but you really should do a little research instead of taking your cues from what you hear on tv. And, for the record, the bailouts are actually a form of government regulation. If the companies were allowed to fail, it would fix the industry. These companies were told by the government that they would catch them if they fell, so they took much higher risks than they should have. If they thought they might actually face failure with their risks, they would have been less risky in their endeavors. Just do me one favor. Read a book on economics. Anything by Sowell, Lott, or many other fine, educated men. You'll be surprised at what you don't know.

milky 09-20-2008 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by papacharlie (Post 465339)
this industry I think needs some type of regulation,lets say to fly from A to B, taking in considerations all the cost involved in that particular flight should cost X $$ right? well I would say everybody can flight that route but the ticket price is going to cost X$$ and airlines will be competing to each other on other type of benefits ...like better service,better planes ,and that route will be profitable for everyone involve in it.
the regulator would be controlling minimum prices and watching who is dropping them to bring down other airlines with the intention of monopolized the route.
another thing that nobody talks about is the with this type of capitalism airlines cut cost everywhere they can(to be able to survive) and sometimes putting people's life in risk like AA,SOUTHWEST did flying those MD,737 without complying with the FAA.

Seriously? You really want to advocate socialism? That's what your post here says. When the government sets the price for a good, it never works out in your favor. I'll just defer to my previous post. Read an economics book. I guess socialism must be the best way to go. It worked for all of the socialist countries in the world that became 3rd world countries under that type of economy. So sad... Educate yourselves.

UCLAbruins 09-20-2008 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by 121PyLut (Post 465247)
...because we are still in the mindset, "it's all about getting to the majors"...even though nowadays (as you all know) those majors are not paying as good as they were back in the day...we seem to be stuck in that frame of mind...

Yes sir, best answer of this whole thread. People getting into politics, capitalism, socialism and all that irrrelevent stuff.... People fly for the regionals, and they do it for peanuts because is only TEMPORARY.... The mentallity is "I'm only going to be there 2-3 years, so who cares what they pay me. I'll be at a major soon, I'll do it for free if I had to" This way of thinking is killing our profession... Now with more and more people getting stuck at the regionals, and the majors not being what they used to be, this question comes up more and more...

The regional pilots have little leverage, there are thoudsands of CFIs eager to fly a turbine powered aircraft, and they'll pay to do it because they have the same dream regional guys have...

Joachim 09-20-2008 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by pokey9554 (Post 465337)
My $.02

One euro is worth about $1.60US. That being said, with oil at $102/barrel, European counrties are paying about $63US per barrel.

That is not to blame the demise of our profession solely to the price of oil, but when combined with the corporate greed of almost all airline management people, the diversity of our unions, and the laws in place preventing any type of productive action against this mistreatment, I can understand how this is happening.

You are wrong. Oil is traded in US Dollars everywhere. Besides, exchange rates do not directly reflect on the economy of a specific country. Change in exchange rates is an indicator of economic trends.


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