[quote=Mason32;465912]
... the only expanding going on is at regionals, getting scope concessions to aquire larger and larger airplanes.... on the same crappy pay scales, with the same crappy QOL issues. There will not be enough new jobs at majors for anything but a trickle of people to go from regional to major... and all the managements know it.
So, the sooner the pilots begin treating their "regional" job as a career the better things will become.


This is the real problem - 10 years ago the regionals were a fraction of the size of the majors. Room for almost all pilots to move up. Today, as the regionals grow and the majors contract, they are much closer in size - no room to move up. If the regionals get bigger than the majors (in pilot numbers) this will get even worse. Eventually when this is realized you will see a large reduction in the number of guys lining up for a job - but this could take 10 years or more to slowly play out.

Scoop

Wait, what??? Republic lowering the bar too? I thought it was only GoJet that was stealing other people's flying.... :rolleyes:

What I'm saying is that the government has stacked the deck against the unions. Ask the American pilots when they'll be released by the NMB to seak self help. Never. We saw it during World's lockout almost 3 years ago. The invisible hand of the government has been favoring managemnet for years. This is nothing more than the "government regulation" that you so distain.

You may have missed in my earilier post, my critism of the unions. They caused some of it on their own.

Nope, they're not paying 20,000 euros, more like 60,000£+ (e.g. Oxford Aviation zero-to-hero ATPL). Plus, many will consider a type rating ('Bus or '37) just to land an interview for the next step. OTOH, overall our euro-trash peers (don't worry, I'm one of them, long live dance'n'trance music...) tend to have more stable careers IF you can start one....

-FF

No, it sn't just gojet. If you check some of my other postings you will find the same opinion. All the non owned subcontractors flying in other people's colors are basically job stealing and bar lowering.

RAH just finally proved what the mainline folks have been saying all along.
For the first time we have a mainline carrier furloughing most of their pilots to replace them with "regional" pilots flying larger planes that are just a bit short of enough seats to have been mainline planes to begin with. Since all the mainlines are looking to reduce capacity, an easy way is to just use slightly smaller planes.... lay off their high cost pilots, and replace them with regional pilots who will work for peanuts, live a horrible quality of life, and still come back to work after one or if they're lucky, two days off.

This has been going on at all the mainline carriers for a long time.... slowly reducing their mainline, while growing their "feeder" airlines. This is just the first time they bypassed the slow attrition and went to straight out replacement.

The old days of a scab being defined as having crossed the picket line are gone.... the new form of lowlife is the job stealing regional pilot that will fly somebody elses routes, while saying... "nothing we can do about it, it's a management thing." Gojets said it to TSA; TSA said it to Eagle, and RAH says it to everybody.... now we have a regional (RAH) saying it to a Major...

So, yeah, I'd say that qualifies as a new benchmark in lowering the bar.

Easy...Easy...

Hey, What about when the "feeder" airline grows a route by flying it for a while with a 50 passenger plane, and when the demand is then proven, is replaced by the network mainline 130 passenger plane? Does that make the mainline pilot a scab too?:rolleyes:

What about "feeder" airline don't you understand. If the route starts as a feeder and grows to support a mainline aicraft, which payscale & benefit scale do you want flyng that route?

So is every other regional. It's not our flying. Like it or not we are all contract pilots working for the lowest bidder. It's cheaper to pu 4 barby jets from SLC to STL than to have them flown by pilots that actually make money.

Bingo! That's what kills me about other regional pilots bashing GoJet when they're doing the exact same thing.

While the GJ deal is different because it's a seniority list issue, which oddly enough is happening at the majors as in the US vs America West pilots. I think everyone knows where they stand in the regionals it's just that we're always going to need a few regionals we can all blame to feel better for ourselves. Mesa is the classic, then GJ, now RAH which is an all time low because they are affecting mainline vs other regional pilots.