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Sniper 09-26-2008 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 469056)
. . . if it wasn't for the WN FO that took control of the TRs from captain paralysis at Midway, that accident would have been exponentially more tragic...

I don't think lauding praise on a member of a crew who contributed to the accident by failing to divert or go-around on a short runway with "poor" braking action reports and a tailwind of over 5 kts is appropriate.

The FO was part of a crew that pressed a bad situation, and, unfortunately, a variety of factors contributed to the death of a child because of it.

But yeah, the FO's tie is WAY too long.

meeko031 09-26-2008 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by capto (Post 468781)
So they pay 30000 to steal jobs


I don't really care if people pft or not. If we both go to an interview for the same job and he/she gets the offer, that just means that the other person is more prepared than I am. I think that the interview process is 80% q&a about your personality and not your flying capabilities! but please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

Sniper 09-27-2008 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 469238)
. . . please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

A 'job' requires compensation. If you're paying to provide a service to a company, then you are not acting as a professional - you're employing your own employer @ that point. How can you be a professional if you are not compensated for your time?

A professional is paid for his/her services. If there is training required to do a job specific to the employer, the employer should be obligated to pay for this training (versus generic training towards a universally accepted standard that is marketable to all employers). A professional doesn't pay to do a job - the employer pays the professional to do the job. The professional doesn't pay the employer for the 'experience', nor for the right to work there.

Jobs are lost when the service of a professional is replaced with the training of a student.

TurboFan 09-27-2008 01:48 AM

"I wish you well, and I'll see you on 'the-line'." Priceless.

DYNASTY HVY 09-27-2008 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by TurboFan (Post 469253)
"I wish you well, and I'll see you on 'the-line'." Priceless.

Schould have added a maybe to the end of that sentence:rolleyes:

'I wish you well ,and I,ll see you on 'the line ' maybe in ohh say 10 years" .:eek::D

MD11Fr8Dog 09-27-2008 03:40 AM

You mean a flux capacitor is NOT interchangeable with a fetzer valve?? ;)

LeftWing 09-27-2008 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 469238)
I don't really care if people pft or not. If we both go to an interview for the same job and he/she gets the offer, that just means that the other person is more prepared than I am. I think that the interview process is 80% q&a about your personality and not your flying capabilities! but please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

So, you don't care about a system that would pass up those with more experience to "hire":rolleyes: someone with less experience simply because they're willing to undercut the profession by way of buying their job? Since this practice brings down the profession, most professionals do care.

hmmm, how much did you pay for your job? or past job?:rolleyes:

LeftWing 09-27-2008 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 469250)
A 'job' requires compensation. If you're paying to provide a service to a company, then you are not acting as a professional - you're employing your own employer @ that point. How can you be a professional if you are not compensated for your time?

A professional is paid for his/her services. If there is training required to do a job specific to the employer, the employer should be obligated to pay for this training (versus generic training towards a universally accepted standard that is marketable to all employers). A professional doesn't pay to do a job - the employer pays the professional to do the job. The professional doesn't pay the employer for the 'experience', nor for the right to work there.

Jobs are lost when the service of a professional is replaced with the training of a student.

I didn't see your post before I posted. I couldn't have said it better.

Blueridger 09-27-2008 09:48 AM

Uhhhh....... I think I just dry heaved watching that crap!!! Unbelievable!

Here's a story I can relate. Upon being furloughed from a regional turned low-cost startup, I did a brief stint at Ameriflight flying a BE99 to get that elusive turbine PIC. They ran the same scam for low time pilots (with a lot of cash to burn) to build up their "time". I flew with one of these low-time pilots whose father worked for mainline CAL. She was the most worthless crew-member I have ever come across - apart from a 32 year veteran of AA, go figure. Couldn't fly worth a damn, operate a radio, track an airway or identify the COP's for me. But hey, thanks to her logging PIC time on the part 91 flights (even though I refused to give her the controls), she's probably scored a cushy job somewhere putting the lives of passengers at risk.
Food for thought.

meeko031 09-28-2008 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by LeftWing (Post 469321)
hmmm, how much did you pay for your job? or past job?:rolleyes:

Hmm.. let's see, I applied for a loan for college because people say that there are more opportunities out there with a college degree. Didn't like the computer field so I applied for another loan to begin my flight training at an fbo!!! what's wrong with that? Is that considered paying for my job?


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