Eagle to Furlough?
 

Someone told me that Eagle can't furlough until all their planes are back on property... Such as the 10 145's from TSA. Any truth to this :confused:

Ive heard they may start hiring again very soon...so I think like AA they may xncl the furloughs.

Well, everybody has a class date for training. Most have already started too. Plus they just came back with the news that they aren't going to retire 29 aircraft but only 19 aircraft. They added 1700 hours of flying in the NE (the number of hours might be wrong). I don't think they will be furloughing but I am just a pilot. They don't tell us these things at Eagle.

wow.. thats news! is eagle really hiring?? wht are their minimums?

worth applying.. as in r they still doing interviews? or have a big pool of candidates already?

one more thing, when you say everyone has training class dates already, are those right away or going to start a bit later? how many classes? anyone know the schedule?

wow your jumpy

I believe they're taking apps, and not interviewing. They've got a pool, and no class dates for new hires as far as I know. Maybe class dates for people moving to different equipment...

Wow

Right, they can't furlough until they get the planes back from TSA....anyone care to guess what they will do to get their company in a position to sell after they get the planes back? For all the complaining eagle guys are doing about getting their planes back, getting the planes on property really hurts their job security

and who would even consider buying one of the most costly regionals? A regional with a LARGE majority of 50 seat aircraft?

We're not that costly. I meant class dates for all the displacements. Nobody would dare buy ANY airline right now plus AMR said they were going to hold on the sale for now.

just reading this post makes me feel skiddish.:p

i really can't foresee eagle furloughing in the future here. i mean just sitting reserve i'll see days when we have too many guys on and no one flies but there are times when everyone gets used and there are like 2 guys left. i know that in klga they tend to get down to like 2-3 FOs on an average basis and i think that the reserve for the captains is similar from what one told me. its still hard to get days off because of staffing shortages. i think right now we have enough and can't really say when eagle will hire again.

You should see RAH lol.

haha, two guys left? try two guys to start at TSA

I don't mean to sound like *****y little girl here ... but why are you so eager to work to Eagle? Unless you live in one of their base cities and just want to be close to your family, that's one thing. But they have, notoriously, the longest upgrade time in the industry, as well as one of the longest reserve times. From what I've heard from my buddies that work there, the contract is pretty good, so that's a plus. But if you're goal is to one day get to a major airline, I'm really not sure why you would want to sit through 6-8 years as a FO. Just my 2 cents. From what I've heard Eagle is a good company, just really rough on the reserve and upgrade times.

What I love is the presumption that someone would even buy Eagle. Because this industry is so healthy.....AA won't sell because no one in their right mind would touch that train wreck....

Not everyone needs captain PIC to move on to greener pastures. Many just need some jet experience and more total time. That's when Eagle comes in handy. The majors aren't the only direction forward.

lol easy there turbo, its just an unsubstantiated rumor...

You have to admit though, very few people can get the better corporate or 135 jobs without out turbine PIC experience.

No, I fully understand that, and I fully respect it :) That's why I said "if" you're goal is to get to a major airline ... not "since" your goal. I envy people who want to go outside of the airlines to get a good aviation gig, it's great! Personally, I have my heart set on the airlines. More power to those to choose to take different paths!

Why? That will prevent furloughs,it does creates additional vacancies. Its a win for us and a lost for TSA if you ask me.

It's neutral. AE is still parking 10 of the 135's, so bringing back the 10 planes that were leased to TSA just keeps the same EMB fleet count.
It doesn't take into consideration the complete parking of all of the Saabs.

No, American having hired help (TSA) is preventing furloughs. With those planes back, they are free to furlough. You guys are parking planes and not furloughing, TSA having your planes is the reason. Now that you guys are getting the planes back, we're furloughing and you guys will be.

(don't get me wrong, you guys deserve your planes back, however, as a pilot group, i'd be scared about getting them back)

I really can't see AE getting those planes back and just standing up and saying "okay see ya 150-250 pilots." I believe that we get back two a month starting in January so by June of '09 we'll have all of them back on property. I think by then if we still aren't full in the ranks they will at least need to do a little hiring as rumored.

At Eagle 20-30 guys a month CONSISTENTLY have left the company. Even in August my seniority number (on the Eagle side...can't see Executive in DECS) went up 20 numbers. At the rate of 2 planes a month it will take 5 months. Being pessimistic and assuming a rate of just 15 guys a month leaving for greener pastures Eagle would still be short on pilots or just a little fat. Over the last year I started at 2880 on October 29th 2007, I am now in the 2200 range. Again this is only on the Eagle side not including Executive.

I think at this point Comair has Eagle beat for upgrade and reserve :)

What are you on?

Getting the planes back is EXACTLY why we never had any plans to furlough. Along with zero/part time lines, Severence packages and LOA's, We have mitigated any need for a furlough. I for one never even heard any ACTUAL talk of a furlough. Just a lot of rumors.

But getting those planes back creates MORE jobs for EAGLE pilots. I just dont see how you can think otherwise. Yes AMR could not furlough Eagle pilots while they are out-sourcing to TSA and RAH, but the ten planes create more opportunity on our side to do the feed for American.

For some reason I don't think that you work for Eagle and I don't know where you're getting your information from. It doesn't sound like anything I have heard from current Eagle pilots, nor does it matter because it's just another rumor. Do you work for TSA?

LOL, well that just sucks ... I actually almost went to work there last April. Decided to go to Colgan instead. So far it's worked out pretty well since I commute from DFW it's very easy to get to IAH. Not to mention I get to fly the mighty SAAB!

Yes, I work for TSA. and i'll leave my prediction at that...just a prediction. we'll see what happens when they planes are back and furloughs are an option for the company.

Someone please explain to me how acquiring planes equals furloughs!?!?

Where is the announcement published that we are only retiring 19 aircraft? This is news to me. I have heard the rumors but haven't seen it in writing.

I think the upgrade is going to be well over 10yrs after the dust settles. I have flown with people that say they might lose their seats or are losing there seats that have 8-9yrs seniority and just upgraded.

It came in the form of an Hi6 from Winkley

I didn't say that aquiring planes equals furloughs. I said that aquiring THESE planes gets gets rid of the hired help and ALLOWS eagle to furlough.

How? Explain.

Someone please correct me if this statement is false

"AMR cannot furlough Eagle pilots with hired help"

Follow me here...if the above statement is true, logic states that this statement would also be true:

"AMR can furlough Eagle pilots without hired help"

So, if TSA is no longer flying Eagle's planes...there is no longer hired help. Therefore, AMR is free to furlough.

It has very very little to do with furlough. There is nothing contractual that would prevent them from doing it now, even with TSA flying AMR owned airplanes. The arbitrator ruled there was no violation by them simply operating the airplanes.
It has much more to do with the previous 2002 grievance. In the body of the arbitrators ruling he stated what would be a violation. When they transfered the MIA route recently to TSA it completed the exact scenario the previous arbitration had defined....
Based on that ruling, and the fact that there is precedent for suing for damages (AMR sued one of it's pilot's unions a few years ago) and being awarded damages plus penalties.... AMR decided it was best to pay Eagle pilots to fly the AMR airplanes, rather than pay TSA to fly them, AND then later be forced through court to have to pay Eagle pilots for it too.
If they had not transfered the route, this wouldn't be an issue.... but they did... and they got called on it. When their lawyers saw the MIA grienvance and reviewed the prior decisions, they realized they screwed the pooch... and would end up paying twice for the same work.
They really had NO choice but to recall the planes, because as soon as TSA started doing Eagle routes it completed the last element required for a violation under a previously argued issue.... Judges don't like it too much when there is a runling on something, and then a few years later you do exactly what they told you, you couldn't do without creating a violation.... that tyically results in large awards, with hefty penalties and punative damages.

As others have said, the attrition rate is still fairly constant, and people are still taking the LTLOA's... there will be no need to furlough. Eagle is already attending new job fairs in anticipation of resumed hiring.

See, now that's all anyone needed to say. Thank you for the correction. We shall see what happens when the planes and routes are back at Eagle.

Yes, look for Eagle to furlough at the beginning of the 2009 summer travel season; after all of the most junior displaced pilots have completed long term training events on different aircraft. Makes sense to me.

Guys, what 250orpoint65 was saying is that we have heard a lot of rumors about AMR furloughing Eagle guys once their aircraft are back on property. Now its been made obvious that these are nothing but unfounded rumors. Thanks for all the responses. Consider my question answered.