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RuttR 10-21-2008 05:53 PM

Another TSA Memos
 
One of our latest memos from our Chief Pilot told us if our passenger load manifest we receive from the gate differs from our FA's count not call the gate agent back to correct it, but to change it ourselves, because it would save time. Is this not a security issue?

Does anyone else think this is a big problem?

ACEAV8R 10-21-2008 06:18 PM

:confused: i would say so. it hasn't been long since i was a gate agent but crazy things happen with those computers. the gate agent should be able to verify who's count is accurate even if it means going through the aircraft with a hard copy list. but it's no longer my battle to fight.:p

ksuav8r 10-21-2008 07:00 PM

Didn't a kid sneak through TSA and board a SWA flight recently?

Anyway, so now that the gate agent screwed up the count, you have to assume that they DIDN'T screw up and let an extra person on (or not scan a ticket)? :rolleyes:

ExperimentalAB 10-21-2008 07:12 PM

Yeah...I am shocked a CP would put something so ridiculous in writing. That is asking for the FAA to come down on you if something goes astray.

Salukipilot4590 10-21-2008 07:17 PM

:facepalm:

CRJ1000 10-21-2008 07:43 PM

As PIC you should instruct you FA that you don't want to see the CS paperwork at all until it matches exactly. Never change it yourself...only asking for problems. The CS always throws the paperwork up to you and runs off ir pulls the jet bridge...instead have them talk to the FA and agree!!!

Positive_Rate 10-21-2008 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by RuttR (Post 483286)
One of our latest memos from our Chief Pilot told us if our passenger load manifest we receive from the gate differs from our FA's count not call the gate agent back to correct it, but to change it ourselves, because it would save time. Is this not a security issue?

Does anyone else think this is a big problem?


Right, because passengers don't get on the wrong plane and end up in CVG instead of BDL....wait a minute...

ToiletDuck 10-21-2008 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by RuttR (Post 483286)
One of our latest memos from our Chief Pilot told us if our passenger load manifest we receive from the gate differs from our FA's count not call the gate agent back to correct it, but to change it ourselves, because it would save time. Is this not a security issue?

Does anyone else think this is a big problem?

Just walk up there if you have to it only takes a second and avoids the risk. It is a legal issue. If she says there are adults on board and the FA counts them as kids and you take off overweight then there will be some issues. Tell your CP you need an accurate count so that you stay within regulations. He can't tell you no.

TBucket 10-21-2008 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by ACEAV8R (Post 483304)
:confused: i would say so. it hasn't been long since i was a gate agent but crazy things happen with those computers. the gate agent should be able to verify who's count is accurate even if it means going through the aircraft with a hard copy list. but it's no longer my battle to fight.:p

Ha, unless it's a gate agent at dulles... They don't even speak english 99% of the time. You're lucky if you get the paperwork for the right flight, let alone the right count...

shfo 10-22-2008 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by RuttR (Post 483286)
One of our latest memos from our Chief Pilot told us if our passenger load manifest we receive from the gate differs from our FA's count not call the gate agent back to correct it, but to change it ourselves, because it would save time. Is this not a security issue?

Does anyone else think this is a big problem?

Just take that memo to one of the FEDs running around STL and see what they think about it.


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