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Machnumber 10-26-2008 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by pens66 (Post 486054)
FYI, there is a street Capt. hired only 6 months ago for the Beech. He just finished IOE for his transition to Capt. for the SAAB. What about all of the qualified Saab FO's with a higher seniorty number. They tell us that everything is seniority based. (upgrade, line bids, vacation, etc) Yeah Right. I have been qualified for upgrade for 7 months. Why is he permitted to jump ahead? The Beech's ARE STILL FLYING! Same Crap, different day!


once again management is shooting themselves in the foot. Seems like they are trying to make themselves look bad and prove to us even more that we need a union and contract...

Bond 10-26-2008 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 486096)
Give it a page or two and then someone will defend Colgan without any real reasons.

Cue the "Juice" in 5,4,3,2,1....................

Swedish Blender 10-26-2008 07:33 PM

Don't they call current captains and ask about the FOs before they upgrade them? Guess someone could've ticked off a captain.

H46Bubba 10-26-2008 10:23 PM

Vote YES !

cruiseclimb 10-27-2008 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 486227)
Don't they call current captains and ask about the FOs before they upgrade them? Guess someone could've ticked off a captain.

That's kind of funny.. Lil inflamitory.. but funny :)

mking84 10-27-2008 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by pens66 (Post 486054)
FYI, there is a street Capt. hired only 6 months ago for the Beech. He just finished IOE for his transition to Capt. for the SAAB. What about all of the qualified Saab FO's with a higher seniorty number. They tell us that everything is seniority based. (upgrade, line bids, vacation, etc) Yeah Right. I have been qualified for upgrade for 7 months. Why is he permitted to jump ahead? The Beech's ARE STILL FLYING! Same Crap, different day!

And you chose to go work there because?!? If anybody decides to work for Colgan, Mesa or wherever they sign up for this. If you want things to change it's simple.......work somewhere else. All that working there does is enable their race to the bottom

kalyx522 10-27-2008 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 486634)
And you chose to go work there because?!? If anybody decides to work for Colgan, Mesa or wherever they sign up for this. If you want things to change it's simple.......work somewhere else. All that working there does is enable their race to the bottom

OK, first of all, what is your point? He already works at Colgan, so there IS no point is telling him he's stupid for choosing to come here.. Are you saying once someone makes a "mistake" of coming to Colgan, he's not allowed to complain about unfair practices? Are we not friggin human? I'll agree that if they're not doing anything except complaining, they don't really have a right to complain. But you have no idea if this guy could be one of the OC members who has been campaigning hard for the union for the past few months. He might've ended up in a crappy place, but he might be working to change that. You don't know, so who are you to judge? And where do you suggest he work right now? Where is this "somewhere else" that we can migrate to in the state that the industry is currently in?

mooney 10-27-2008 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 486634)
And you chose to go work there because?!? If anybody decides to work for Colgan, Mesa or wherever they sign up for this. If you want things to change it's simple.......work somewhere else. All that working there does is enable their race to the bottom

In his defense, he may have been working there before Pinnacle took them over. And it's not like today you can just pick up and go somewhere else when things change for the worse at your airline. If someone applied to there after Pinnacle bought them, well they were warned...

mking84 10-27-2008 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 486643)
In his defense, he may have been working there before Pinnacle took them over. And it's not like today you can just pick up and go somewhere else when things change for the worse at your airline. If someone applied to there after Pinnacle bought them, well they were warned...

I dont know man......I think we were all warned pretty well. Not that Im a big union fan, but they did vote that down last year......a union would have prevented this......We all do it to ourselves.

mking84 10-27-2008 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 486640)
OK, first of all, what is your point? He already works at Colgan, so there IS no point is telling him he's stupid for choosing to come here.. Are you saying once someone makes a "mistake" of coming to Colgan, he's not allowed to complain about unfair practices? Are we not friggin human? I'll agree that if they're not doing anything except complaining, they don't really have a right to complain. But you have no idea if this guy could be one of the OC members who has been campaigning hard for the union for the past few months. He might've ended up in a crappy place, but he might be working to change that. You don't know, so who are you to judge? And where do you suggest he work right now? Where is this "somewhere else" that we can migrate to in the state that the industry is currently in?

1. I did not call him stupid.
2. At any point over his tenure there he could have benefited from unprecedented hiring at other regionals and have already upgraded elsewhere.
3. Mistakes imply an accident. Going to work there is not a mistake, it is a choice.
4. I suggest he sit tight and be happy he has a job......I dont.
5. "Somewhere else" would be a carrier over the last few years with substantial movement and growth. SkyWest comes to mind.
6. The union vote did not succeed, no reason in dwelling on that.
7. No I dont feel he has much to stand on complaining. We all choose our own.
8. Complaining and action are two different things. Lets not replace one with the other.


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