Poor us (ASA)
 

So here's an airline with a surplus of pilots mostly because of the ATR fleet going away. ASA could obviously use more airplanes of some sort, don't say ASA doesn't deserve it. Performance is up substancially from a short time ago. Delta has 900's to assign and the rumor is they give them to an airline who isn't even flying delta colored airplanes yet that is hiring because they think they're getting these planes. Sounds like ASA is going downhill bigtime.

Makes no sense to me.

Discuss...

I don't think it's a rumor anymore...

Don't make this so difficult. It's simply post bankruptcy economics where they need, desire, want, etc. as much profit in house as possible.

Just remember, "deserve" has nothing to do with it as all pilots deserve better. It's simply a solid business decision that aids one group at the expense of others like every other managerial decision in this industry.

The "Good Karma" in this crazy circle of life will come knocking on ASA's door eventually at the expense of someone else.

I concur. ASA has the pilots to operate the planes now. They are experienced and would have good performance (out of ATL, no less). They have the MX for it. I think "deserve" doesn't say enough; I can't really see a reason why they shouldn't have them (except that the last offer included taking 2 -200s away for every -900. That's no good.)

doesn't Delta own those 900s? My guess is that they would want them flown by a wholly owned being that they own the aircraft.

I would agree on principle but really all that matters is that Delta makes money. Wholly owned or not, whoever does the best should get it. Then Delta doesn't end up fighting in court (and subsequently spending money) after contract specs are not met. If the aircraft are operated properly in the first place that never happens...

Purely my opinion. I don't claim to know the whole picture, nor do I intend to try to find out what it is. I think my head would explode.

it makes me sick to my stomach to hear "wholly owned subsidiary" from the newbies. ugh. i hate to see asa miss out on any flying. i have always had a HUGE amount of respect for all you guys. i always thought of asa and comair as the "good ol' boys" of aviation. if the day ever comes that i'm in charge i would be more than happy to burn 'em all down and hook you guys at asa up (and of course my old stomping ground comair.) all the things we both fought for so many years is just getting killed.

I talked to one of our check airmen, and he did say we were offered the 900's, but it would involve nearly 200 pilots getting furloughed. So our CEOs said no to it. What sucks is that other people on the ground are losing their jobs. Talk about a morale buster.

I hear ya man. However, the way I see it is that it isn't like a pilot losing their job where they just give you the "ole boot". I could totally be wrong but the way I understand it is that most of these jobs are people that could have been retired for years now. As well as they will be given retirement packages. Most of the jobs that will be eliminated are for the most part redundant positions. Then again some people might be so ignorant to say that having 2 pilots in the the airplane is redundant.

ASA guys if any one deserve the extra 900s flotting around you guys do... But welcome to the XJ rumor station.... I have been at 9E for 1.5 years(not long) but any and alll rumors have XJ always coming out on top!!! Good Luck I think we need it more!!!!