I know it's been asked before, but how do you all log your flight times now?
11-02-2008, 02:36 PM
#11
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I concur - day-by-day! I don't make another line for an aircraft change, however...City pairs for the day and addt'l tail numbers go in the Remarks section.
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Just grab a cold one and set aside a couple of hours!
Since June? That 'aint nothing LoL
Just grab a cold one and set aside a couple of hours!
11-02-2008, 06:35 PM
#13
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There is more to this regulation but I've edited it for length and bold-faced what I think is important.
You are required to log experience for certificates and ratings...by the time you have enough experience to get your ATP you technically don't have to log your time any more since your company will log enough to keep you legal but you may want to for a number of reasons. For instance you may want to fly outside of your job or you may want a nice logbook to show a prospective new employer.
If you want to fly outside of your job you are required to log enough to show recent flight experience for takeoffs and landings and instrument requirements. In this case you must log the time in a manner that will satisfy the FAA. This includes date of flight, total flight time, takeoff and landing points, and type and ID of the aircraft, among other things. If you do not log these things it technically is not a legal logbook entry.
Additionally, a case can be made to also log these things to show a prospective future employer you keep a neat logbook. Personally this is my strategy, but to each his own.
You are required to log experience for certificates and ratings...by the time you have enough experience to get your ATP you technically don't have to log your time any more since your company will log enough to keep you legal but you may want to for a number of reasons. For instance you may want to fly outside of your job or you may want a nice logbook to show a prospective new employer.
If you want to fly outside of your job you are required to log enough to show recent flight experience for takeoffs and landings and instrument requirements. In this case you must log the time in a manner that will satisfy the FAA. This includes date of flight, total flight time, takeoff and landing points, and type and ID of the aircraft, among other things. If you do not log these things it technically is not a legal logbook entry.
Additionally, a case can be made to also log these things to show a prospective future employer you keep a neat logbook. Personally this is my strategy, but to each his own.
Sec. 61.51 - Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:
(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:
(1) General --
(i) Date.
(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.
(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.
(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device, as appropriate.
(v) The name of a safety pilot, if required by §91.109(b) of this chapter.
(2) Type of pilot experience or training --
(i) Solo.
(ii) Pilot in command.
(iii) Second in command.
(iv) Flight and ground training received from an authorized instructor.
(v) Training received in a flight simulator or flight training device from an authorized instructor.
(3) Conditions of flight --
(i) Day or night.
(ii) Actual instrument.
(iii) Simulated instrument conditions in flight, a flight simulator, or a flight training device.
(c) Logging of pilot time. The pilot time described in this section may be used to:
(1) Apply for a certificate or rating issued under this part; or
(2) Satisfy the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:
(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:
(1) General --
(i) Date.
(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.
(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.
(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device, as appropriate.
(v) The name of a safety pilot, if required by §91.109(b) of this chapter.
(2) Type of pilot experience or training --
(i) Solo.
(ii) Pilot in command.
(iii) Second in command.
(iv) Flight and ground training received from an authorized instructor.
(v) Training received in a flight simulator or flight training device from an authorized instructor.
(3) Conditions of flight --
(i) Day or night.
(ii) Actual instrument.
(iii) Simulated instrument conditions in flight, a flight simulator, or a flight training device.
(c) Logging of pilot time. The pilot time described in this section may be used to:
(1) Apply for a certificate or rating issued under this part; or
(2) Satisfy the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
11-02-2008, 08:47 PM
#15
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I use a line for each day (at least, when I'm working). I put everything on logbook pro after a trip, then do the Jepp paper log once every month. I updated the resume every two or three months with current times. You never know when you'll need it...
11-02-2008, 09:29 PM
#17
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Position: A320 FO
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Originally Posted by jayray2
How about a solid answer on logging night and instrument when PNF. No one can agree on this subject.
If you search the forums (as this stuff has come up time, and time again) you'll find a supporting document put out by the FAA. I couldn't find it with a quick Google search, but it's out there.
11-03-2008, 06:31 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by Oberon
...by the time you have enough experience to get your ATP you technically don't have to log your time any more since your company will log enough to keep you legal but you may want to for a number of reasons. For instance you may want to fly outside of your job or you may want a nice logbook to show a prospective new employer.
You could always get your medical apps to get close, but what a pain that could turn into. Especially if your qualifications many have been right on the cusp of meeting a certain criteria, like TT or PIC time.
11-03-2008, 05:18 PM
#19
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Position: A320 CA
Posts: 33
After 5,000 hours I started doing it by the month. Since the ATP is the highest rating you may obtain, it is not necessary to log at all once you get it. Of course, to show experience you still want to. I log it by the month and how many times I visited an airport.
Example: 78.6hrs / JFK-4, SFO-3, LAX-4, IAD-4, SEA-1
Of course I still divide up the time for night, instrument, turbojet, etc. I do an audit every two years or so and I've always been within 10 hours.
Later
Example: 78.6hrs / JFK-4, SFO-3, LAX-4, IAD-4, SEA-1
Of course I still divide up the time for night, instrument, turbojet, etc. I do an audit every two years or so and I've always been within 10 hours.
Later
11-04-2008, 10:48 AM
#20
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I'm with the majority of the guys here ... I log it by day, but I don't make a new line for a different aircraft (just note it in the remarks), just where I began the day and where I end the day ... and of course all the small boxes (landings/night/Inst/Appch/etc), it covers everything anyone would actually care about 
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