Calling in Fatigued
11-05-2008 | 04:25 PM
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Calling in Fatigued
What are the repercussions to you at your company if you call in fatigued?
Missed trip occurence?
Sick occurrence?
Docked pay?
Sick pay?
Carpet dance in front of the C.P. or D.O.?
Anyone want to share some experiences?
Missed trip occurence?
Sick occurrence?
Docked pay?
Sick pay?
Carpet dance in front of the C.P. or D.O.?
Anyone want to share some experiences?
11-05-2008 | 04:38 PM
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Ill add to that...think of the explanations you'll have to give to the Feds possibly if you screw something up and bend and airplane. I know some companies don't want to hear it, but its just not worth the potential consequences if you make a mistake. Damned if you...damned if you don't I guess.
11-05-2008 | 04:39 PM
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I agree. If youre fatigued, don't fly. Simple as that. Guys that are worried about a carpet dance or phone call for banging in fatigued vs. going in the dirt because they weren't on top of their game due to fatigue need to seriously look at their priorities. I can promise you this: the carpet dance for calling in fatigued is way nicer than the one for bending metal. If the company wants to make an issue out of it, let them. Any lawyer worth their salt should be able to go to town on a company for pressuring you to fly fatigued. Heck, with your 401k taking a hit, that could be a backup retirement plan
11-05-2008 | 04:41 PM
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At Pinnacle typically when you call in sick, they dock your pay and make you do a carpet dance with a base manager to explain why you called in fatigued. If you have legit excuse, its not a big deal. Only real downside is the pay hit. They wont let you use sick time.
11-05-2008 | 04:59 PM
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After a long day in the middle of a long trip, in the middle of a long month.. I had had enough.I called myself off the trip. I talked to the MOD (mgr on duty) and after 20 questions he said "okay".
But now, that exchange is in the back of my mind and I have pushed thru many a night since then when I should have called in. Not-so-Funny how effective subtle pressure (pilot pushing) can be.
I know the difference between being tired (I seem to be tired a lot lately) and being fatigued. Working when tired is not a new thing. Most of the working world does it daily. I'd like to think I would call in if I was REALLY fatigued.
But at an airline that claims "safety first", in my experience it seems to be more like "safty third"
But now, that exchange is in the back of my mind and I have pushed thru many a night since then when I should have called in. Not-so-Funny how effective subtle pressure (pilot pushing) can be.
I know the difference between being tired (I seem to be tired a lot lately) and being fatigued. Working when tired is not a new thing. Most of the working world does it daily. I'd like to think I would call in if I was REALLY fatigued.
But at an airline that claims "safety first", in my experience it seems to be more like "safty third"
11-06-2008 | 03:21 PM
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If they don't let you use the sick time for it, why not just call in sick instead?
11-06-2008 | 07:11 PM
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That, combined with a recent slap on the wrist to management for intimidating pilots who made fatigue calls, allowed for a lot of fatigue calls by reserve pilots. For a while all we had to do was hint at dropping the "F" bomb and scheduling would magically find other pilots to do what would have been our 7th or 8th legs in the day.
11-07-2008 | 05:58 AM
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I meant to say fatigued.
11-07-2008 | 06:08 AM
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Fatigued is just that, fatigued.
Take a look at the Shuttle overrun in CLE. The captain was threatened for attempting to call in fattigued and this was one of the major contributing factors.
If your company gives you any grief for calling in fatigued, hang up and call the FAA.
Take a look at the Shuttle overrun in CLE. The captain was threatened for attempting to call in fattigued and this was one of the major contributing factors.
If your company gives you any grief for calling in fatigued, hang up and call the FAA.
Last edited by Pilotpip; 11-07-2008 at 08:22 PM. Reason: rickair pointed it out. thanks
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