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jayray 11-08-2008 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 494084)
I find it very ironic how the Memo mentions your great performance in October. 5 100% completion days. Comair did 22 100% completion days in a row in October. Comair had 25 100% completion days in October total. As of November 4th comair has 64 100% completion days for the year. All while operating out of JFK.

Yes, but here are some other numbers maybe you are glossing over.

A look at airlines' September on-time performance - Yahoo! News

Lighteningspeed 11-08-2008 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 494383)
Here's my question..with these 15 900's coming do you see the 200's going to the desert?

That's a really good question. I don't think the 200s will be discarded yet. Mesaba will continue to operate 17 200s that they have for the next few years. I do see them being replaced with 76 seat CRJ9s in the near future, however as they are not as economical as 900s.

KITT 11-08-2008 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 494381)
It's interesting how many people are misinformed. Compass E175's are above the scoped 85,000 lbs that's why they had to write in an exception for those aircraft. Unless the scope clause is relaxed by DAL, which I hope is not, Compass cannot get any more than 36 aircraft.

With today's high oil prices and the fact that CRJ9s are cheaper to acquire and operate, I do not see DAL ordering more E175s for Compass. Case in point, XJ getting more CRJ9s instead of Compass getting more E175s.

Comair is being treated like an orphan right now, but who knows what will happen in 3 to 5 years. I do think DAL will streamline their regionals to fewer numbers.

From the contract I seen, scope is 86,000. Compass will be over scope weight limit if airplanes are upgraded to AR weights. Thus there is the exemption. If the planes they get are not AR weights then it is under the scope limit.

djrogs03 11-08-2008 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by jayray (Post 494416)
Yes, but here are some other numbers maybe you are glossing over.

A look at airlines' September on-time performance - Yahoo! News

Good call...our numbers aren't published because they end up going apart of the Northwest #'s...I guess they can do that when they own us...if we were on our own I would think we'de be up there at the top...outside of weather I've been early by a good 10 minutes on every trip at Mesaba except once, and thats because the captain was just off OE

H46Bubba 11-08-2008 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 494457)
Good call...our numbers aren't published because they end up going apart of the Northwest #'s...I guess they can do that when they own us...if we were on our own I would think we'de be up there at the top...outside of weather I've been early by a good 10 minutes on every trip at Mesaba except once, and thats because the captain was just off OE

Yeah our ontime performance sucks because of Delta and JFK. If they need our slots, then they'll ask us to cancel our flights, which we do without hesitation. We still get paid for them and inturn Delta gets better numbers. Delta loves us flying out of JFK,LGA, and BOS. They own us, control us and they don't have do deal with contracts and percentages.

Boomer 11-08-2008 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by jayray (Post 494416)
Yes, but here are some other numbers maybe you are glossing over.

A look at airlines' September on-time performance - Yahoo! News

Right... the next time I need to fly from JFK to Cleveland I'll buy a ticket on Hawaiian.

Comair always runs late.:D

Boomer 11-08-2008 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by el polloloco (Post 494030)
good luck on being the cheapest horses the delta dci circus continues

Being the cheapest is just the beginning. Staying the cheapest is the hard part.

Remember the game Delta's regionals are playing... it's called the race to the bottom for a reason.

Boomer 11-08-2008 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 494319)
I agree and the snapback won't do that much...I'm not sure on the numbers but it's like an extra dollar for a 2 year FO...still way short of what 2 year ComAir 70 seat FO's make...see NWA pays its regionals crap...DAL actually gives you DCI carriers a descent wage...probably why we are getting these frames...I'm just tired of the haters out there who think there better pilots, blame your management and your contract...our company must know what they're doing if everyone else is furloughing and were hiring and bringing in more aircraft...

I'd thank you to remember that the 2-year Comair FO you're referring to is making whatever they hand out in the unemployment line in his state of residence.

braniff727 11-08-2008 05:11 PM

Would much rather have more airplanes coming into Delta and the rest of the majors. No reason to celebrate getting more airplanes at a regional. Just means longer time working at a lower pay rate with less benifits. Nothing to be excited about :mad:

Lighteningspeed 11-09-2008 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by braniff727 (Post 494467)
Would much rather have more airplanes coming into Delta and the rest of the majors. No reason to celebrate getting more airplanes at a regional. Just means longer time working at a lower pay rate with less benifits. Nothing to be excited about :mad:

More airplanes at majors does not necessarily translate into more job opportunities for aspiring airline pilots. The hiring requirements at majors that demands 1000 hours multiengine turbine time (some prefer jet times) is what drives people to work at regionals for minimum wages. How else can we get our precious turbine time?

Ideally, it should have been set up like at Air Canada, Lufthansa, or Korean Airlines. Every pilot is on the same seniority list and you have the opportunity to bid for bigger aircraft when your seniority allows it. British Airways, Lufthansa and Korean Airlines all have ab initio programs where a student interested in becoming an airline pilot can go through their program from zero experience to a full fledged FO upon completion of their training. We've never had anything close to it in this country.


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