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bradeku1008 11-13-2008 02:35 PM

If Mesa files Chapt. 11 then Delta will pull their contract, and so will US Air. Not sure about United but both Delta and US Air dont want to have anything to do with them anymore. If Mesa goes bankrupt then its basically over for them.

whatthe6789 11-13-2008 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 498130)
They have a shareholders meeting on December 22nd. That should be interesting. I say sell everything and just move on.

Whats the point in the shareholders meeting, if the date that they will be delisted is before it?

Purpleanga 11-13-2008 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by whatthe6789 (Post 498209)
Whats the point in the shareholders meeting, if the date that they will be delisted is before it?

Maybe they're going to appeal.

H46Bubba 11-13-2008 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Releasemaster (Post 498190)
When a company enters Chap.11, they list all their debt outstanding and who the creditors are. The companies first hurdle is to prove to the court they have enough money to continue operations or otherwise obtain DIP financing.
Beyond that is all becomes a court brokered negotation on re-negotiated costs and writing off what debt they can. Eventually the company comes to a sound restructuring and exits from the oversight of the courts and back into the public realm.

That's the old policy. Now the U.S. Bankruptcy Court requires DIP financing before the company can even file for CH.11. No DIP your going to CH.7! I really don't think JO can get DIP if MAG were to declare bankruptcy. I mean it's not like MAG is an integral part of the airline trasportation system like say Delta or American are. There are plenty of players to pick up the routes and contracts flown my MAG, so it's not like if MAG were to go into bankruptcy there would be a huge halt in flights across the U.S.

rickair7777 11-13-2008 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 498193)
There is no way mesa would survive a charter 11. United, USAirways and Delta all have an out in their contracts if Mesa files bankruptcy. This is confirmed in Mesa 10k filing from last year.

This is a critical point. Naturally nobody wants to be contractually locked to a bankrupt regional feeder, so that is a routine contract clause.

With everyone looking to unload regional capacity in general, (and mesa in particular) a Ch.11 filing would provide an easy out for DAL for sure, USA almost for sure, and probably UAL as well.

Loss of even one major codeshare combined with very low propsects for DIP financing would almost certainly cause a judge to shut them down if they file Ch.11.

For this reason I think JO will not intentionally attempt to use Ch.11 as a reorganization tool. He'll probably go kicking and screaming straight into Ch.7, following FBI raids on the Crystal Palace.

H46Bubba 11-13-2008 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 498226)
This is a critical point. Naturally nobody wants a contractual committment to bankrupt regional feeder, so that is a routine contract clause.

With everyone looking to unload regional capacity in general, (and mesa in particular) a Ch.11 filing would provide an easy out for DAL for sure, USA almost for sure, and probably UAL as well.

Loss of even one major codeshare combined with very low propsects for DIP financing would almost certainly cause a judge to shut them down if they file Ch.11.

For this reason I think JO will not intentionally attempt to use Ch.11 as a reorganization tool. He'll probably go kicking and screaming straight into Ch.7, following FBI raids on the Crystal Palace.

Boy there's a lot of dirt and skeletons in every crevice of that building waiting to be found!;)

Purpleanga 11-13-2008 03:50 PM

What's the best case scenario for mesa? I'm thinking with all that they owe and their contracts up in the air, there is none.

amcnd 11-13-2008 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 498231)
What's the best case scenario for mesa? I'm thinking with all that they owe and their contracts up in the air, there is none.

Best case is they start selling stuff..Would they rather keep GO! or there United/USair flying. I think they could sell off there east coast flying to AirWilly and maybe The west coast flying to SkyWest. Or its a free for all when they fill Ch.11. Or someone puts up allot of money and bails them out.

Copperhed51 11-13-2008 04:10 PM

And we think there's a lot of 121 guys on the streets right now....wow.

bradeku1008 11-13-2008 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 498257)
And we think there's a lot of 121 guys on the streets right now....wow.

Yup, there will be alot of Mesa pilots on the streets. But they maybe able to find another job relatively quick becasue their will probably be airlines calling back and maybe hiring to cover their flying. PSA, Piedmont, and Air Wisconsin would get alot of their guys back for the US Airways flying. Im sure Skywest will cover the United side. Mesaba will hire more pilots becasue Im sure that the Delta flying will go to them and not Comair. If they do give it to Comair then they will get to recall their pilots. RAH will probably get all of their pilots back.


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