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threegreen 11-14-2008 08:04 AM

I dont get why so many people want mesa to fold. Why dont people encourage them to get a better contract and be more supportive? There are many airlines that have crappy contracts
TSA
Pinnacle
Lynx
Colgan
CommutAir
I am sure the list can go on...
We do not need more pilots on the streets!!!

rickair7777 11-14-2008 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by threegreen (Post 498634)
I dont get why so many people want mesa to fold. Why dont people encourage them to get a better contract and be more supportive? There are many airlines that have crappy contracts
TSA
Pinnacle
Lynx
Colgan
CommutAir
I am sure the list can go on...
We do not need more pilots on the streets!!!

Anyone who knows anything about the airline biz wants to see...

1) OJ out of this industry.

2) Definitive proof to the business community that his model of lowest-cost by cheating, theft, and abuse does not work. Ultimately your employees make or break you, and there are many folks out there who have lost sight of this fact and need to be reminded...OJ will serve as the best object lesson to the others.

Obviously the best scenario would involve OJ and friends getting booted by the shareholders, but somehow I don't think it's going to happen...I think he's going down with the ship.

Purpleanga 11-14-2008 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 498626)
For the TSA furloughs...

Are you guys being offered gojet jobs?

I mean if they are going to bleed TSA down to nothing anyway, I.

As for right now it looks like that rumor was true but management decided it was cheaper to operate 145s rather than crj2. As of right now there is no plan to downsize TSA, in fact management is talking about adding uax and airways by next spring........ I doubt we'll be able to call back all the furloughs by next spring unless there is some pretty good attrition the next few months.

Luv2Rotate 11-14-2008 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 498624)
I know the grass always seems greener on the other side...but at MESA??? Trust me, you're better off furloughed from TSA than rock-bottom reserve at mesa in IAD.

Besides, mesa is a house of cards right now...as soon as anything goes wrong, they are done. And they have not one, but FOUR impending train-wrecks that I can think of: Delisting (Dec), Bond Payments (Jan/Feb?), Aloha Lawsuit (Spring), and DAL Termination Lawsuit (Spring?). JO's pretty slippery, but I doubt he can dodge all of these...


Dont forget Mokulele Lawsuit. Saw it posted on here. :rolleyes:

Copperhed51 11-14-2008 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 498626)
For the TSA furloughs...

Are you guys being offered gojet jobs?

What is the thought process on that right now? I mean if they are going to bleed TSA down to nothing anyway, I'm not sure I would it against a legit TSA pilot if he had nowhere else to go at this point...

Sadly, I chose to interview there but luckily was not offered the job. I sort of got into an argument with the CP during the interview because I thought he was out of line with his questioning. I know another guy who got fired during the first week of class for making a joke about Hulas. He has been told the real reason he was fired was because somebody in the company has a grudge against him and asked management to get rid of him. He's now glad he's not there. So to answer your question, furloughed TSA guys are sort of getting preferential interviews and I know a couple that have been hired, but the company is crap, the CP is a cum dumpster, and I feel better off on the street than at GJ.

Purpleanga 11-14-2008 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 498741)
Sadly, I chose to interview there but luckily was not offered the job. I sort of got into an argument with the CP during the interview because I thought he was out of line with his questioning. .

What did they ask you?

Copperhed51 11-14-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 498816)
What did they ask you?

I had a goatee at the time of my interview and the first question was, "why would you show up to an airline interview with a beard?"

I gave somewhat of a smart ass answer along the lines of "I didn't think I'd be donning an oxygen mask during the interview to save my life and the lives of a bunch of people sitting behind me."

I guess for future interviews I'll show up in in my uniform, epaulets and all. Obviously the only way you can prove you are a pilot is to be dressed in uniform, ready to fly a plane that second. I dunno, some people have told me it was dumb of me to to show up like that but I disagree and think the question was out of line.

I think part of the guy's problem with me was that I was not wearing a suit. I was wearing dress pants, shirt, and tie. My suit I bought for my Trans States interview back in January doesn't fit me anymore since I've lost 70 pounds and I'm too poor to buy another suit. I guess they got the impression that I wasn't taking the interview seriously when in reality I'm just poor and they're out of touch with reality. Oh well, I'm very very glad I didn't get hired.

H46Bubba 11-14-2008 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 498624)
I know the grass always seems greener on the other side...but at MESA??? Trust me, you're better off furloughed from TSA than rock-bottom reserve at mesa in IAD.

Besides, mesa is a house of cards right now...as soon as anything goes wrong, they are done. And they have not one, but FOUR impending train-wrecks that I can think of: Delisting (Dec), Bond Payments (Jan/Feb?), Aloha Lawsuit (Spring), and DAL Termination Lawsuit (Spring?). JO's pretty slippery, but I doubt he can dodge all of these...

Delta's appeal against the injunction has a court date of January 26th.

Purpleanga 11-14-2008 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by H46Bubba (Post 498893)
Delta's appeal against the injunction has a court date of January 26th.

What happens if they win that?

H46Bubba 11-14-2008 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 498896)
What happens if they win that?

Delta will cut them off immediately and JO will have to find a new home for 25 ERJ-145's


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