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I know for ExpressJet they aren't willing to remove the restriction because it's not approved for their ops specs, but they were letting us rent the sims to have it removed. If that makes sense. It's something like that anyway.. maybe another XJT guy can speak up.

I didn't look too far into it, but I know there are guys who have been getting it removed on our sims.

At PDT the Circle is still in the Ops Specs and I've had to do a couple with Binghampton's ILS to 34 being out of service all summer and so far all fall.

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Originally Posted by James Bond (Post 510094)

The fact that your even contemplating shelling out cash to remove a restriction that most 121 pilots have on their certificate is appalling. Why put yourself into an unnecessary jeopardy situation?

weird...

I'm sorry to appall you, Bond...I guess being offended is a natural course of leaving your own desktop. That being said, thanks for contributing to the thread; I'm learning a lot.

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Originally Posted by contrails (Post 510110)

Well, James Bond -

'When you get furloughed from your 25K a year job here in the states and a place in China is offering 75K for the same job, it may make sense to some to drop $500-1500 down and get the limitation off the certificate.

Weird isn't it? :p

Contrails-

The weird part to me is how the original poster stated:

"I'm kind of finicky about my certs, and if I have a type rating I don't want the limitations...even if the limitation has no effect on current operations."

I can see where you are coming from, but our original poster doesn't start with his regional for another month and a half. I guess its never to early to plan for a furlough.

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Originally Posted by TheSultanofScud (Post 510157)

I'm sorry to appall you, Bond...I guess being offended is a natural course of leaving your own desktop. That being said, thanks for contributing to the thread; I'm learning a lot.

Apology accepted.
I apologize for judging you on wanting to purchase a non-limiting SIC type.

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Originally Posted by TheSultanofScud (Post 509729)

This is mostly directed at those familiar with the XJ training deparment, but I think it's applicable to a lot of other operations issuing SIC type ratings with circling limitations.

Does does anyone know if the Mesaba training department has authorization to conduct the training to remove the circling limitations after a type rating? I know they certainly won't pay for it (why should they pay for something that probably isn't allowed by ops-specs)...but I was wondering if I could theoretically pay for some work in the company training dept. to remove the limitation or if I'd have to go to factory training, Flight Safety, yada yada. Just curious; I'm kind of finicky about my certs, and if I have a type rating I don't want the limitations...even if the limitation has no effect on current operations. Thanks in advance; I searched other threads that touched on the limitation itself, but I think my question is a little too specific.

The answer for XJ is unfortunately, No. I have asked as well and the answer I have gotten from more than one source is since circling approaches are no longer in our op specs the instructors/apd's are no longer authorized to train or test for this and as such ALL type ratings issued by them must have the limitation. Now can the manuver be tested in the sims, yes. But you have to go through Pan Am on your own and at your own cost. Best bet is get hired by a part 135 Saab operator, they will train and test for the circling approach and no more limitation... If you are talking about the CRJ then guess you'll just have to call Pan Am and see what they offer.

Now that's the answer I'm looking for. Thanks, Avro. From a practical standpoint, there's no way I would pay to remove the limitation until I upgrade...I can't even justify it to myself if it isn't a full blown PIC privilege. Thanks again; Maybe I'll check in with Pan Am and hit them up in several years if I have the upgrade and an income...maybe find a way to write it off.

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Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 510120)

Sure you can. Many sim centers have a circling removal course. It take less than a couple of hours to do the traing and the ride.

As I work for CAE, I am aware that there are training programs. I've got one right here for the A320. Pretty sure the FAA wouldn't authorize you to walk in the door with a designated examiner and go right into a checkride. In Part 142 we are REQUIRED to give training before hand...that's what I'm saying.

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