Mesa Cancels Pending Furloughs
 

Good news for Mesa pilots. A company memo just came out stating that Mesa is canceling the previously announced furlough of 150 pilots.

Nice to see a little good news amongst all the bad.

I saw that. Great news. Although they did say we are still fat and it doesn't prevent the furloughs happening after Chirstmas. Still it is a start. Now hopefully we can start meeting performance and making profit. The last thing I want is Mesa to go bankrupt cause it will just put me back several years in my career plan.

I guess they are going to get all the Comair flying once we go out of business. :rolleyes:

Did you notice the memo said they would not furlough during the holidays? The memo said nothing about what their plans were after the holidays.

:rolleyes:

The memo does say that we will be fat for awhile which will result in line credit reductions and a lot of reserves, but it doesn't say that they may furlough after Christmas. The memo simply states the company has canceled the pending furloughs and that's all it says specifically regarding the furloughs. I highly doubt they'd cancel them and then re-instate them a few weeks later.

Ummm. the thread was started 10 min ago and I don't think he's privy to company wide memos.

Lets see more companies cancelling furloughs and recalling:cool:

!!!AMEN!!!

I though Mesa owed Bombardier a massive payment due in January that they cannot pony up, is that true? Did they magically settle their lawsuits and pony up the cash for Bombardier?

thats standard practice in this industry

No, no, see you are trying to use logic. Logic does not work in this industry. You can get yourself into some real trouble trying to think like that in this biz. :D

On top of that, what about them being delisted on the market in a few more days? I would not hold my breath that the furloughs are not gonna happen...

I'm happy for you Mesa Guys/Gals. JO is doing at least one good thing.

i wouldn't think JO is doing something good for others...he's just keeping himself employed....Glad we don't have more brothers/sisters on the streets though...hold strong.

For once there is good news at the regional level.

Good news for one regional is not necessarily good news for all. If Mesa went under that would be somewhat good news for many pilots and bad news for a relative handful. Not saying I'm cheering for it, just pointing out a different perspective held by many.

I can't count how many times I've heard from various airline crews while jumpseating:

ME: So how are you guys doin?
THEM: We'd probably be a lot better if Mesa would just die already. I know that our company is in talks with (insert United/Delta/Usair) for that (insert ORD/PHX/DEN/freedom) flying

I can see what you are saying becasue Im in the PSA pool. I would have been in a class a long time ago if Mesa would "die". I was just saying it was nice to hear good news at the regional level. I dont hate Mesa Pilots, I hate Jo and his time is coming in 2009.

I think everyone here would hate to see Mesa pilots hurting more than they already do. What we want to see is JO taken to the back of the wood shed and horse whipped.

I KNOW!!! Those poor Frontier pilots might get called back if that darn Southwest will just hurry up and "die".

Yeah, and I think Delta would be doing a lot better if that other airline would just go away. What is it called again? US Airways I think? [/sarcasm]

I think certain airlines would be doing a lot better if they had more to their business plan than hope someone else goes under.

Reminds me of the line from Gladiator:

Quintus: People should know when they are conquered.
Maximus: Would you, Quintus?... Would I?

It's going to take more than that for a new hire class at PSA. 74 furloughed is a HUGE number when there are only 530 total pilots.

What is the attrition like at PSA?

I like how this letter from JB doesn't mention the 15 pilots furloughed that were part of the projected 150 :rolleyes:. What about our holiday? This letter makes it out to sound like they haven't furloughed which just isn't true...

(Hijack) Little to none with CAPT's having nowhere to go. Since July I have moved up 16 slots. They are still fat in CLT. Sorry, any more PSA things, lets take it to our thread. Didn't mean to steal Mesa's.

Congrats to those not being furloughed.

ha ha ha ya alot of people in pools everywhere are trying to see light at the end of the tunnel...

people in hiring pools should just keep swimming its gonna be a looooooonnng time... dont mean to be a D***

That was one of the first things I thought after I read the letter. There's also 40 some pilots that were furloughed during ground school. I take it you haven't heard anything from anyone yet? I would email JB and see what he has to say about it. They should just recall you guys, but unfortunately I think we all know how likely that is. :rolleyes:

Best of luck to you and all the other unfortunate, hard-working pilots out there. :(

I agree! Only I want everyone else to just die already and leave us to be the only ones .

Well my response was in line with what Duvie said so let me break it down for you. First, I could see what other pilots and Duvie were saying about Mesa dying and other regionals would be in a better position. Second, yes I am in the PSA pool and yes I probably would have be in class if they weren't around or if they were to die. Again just saying this so they can understand that I know where they are coming from and im not just some pilot. Alot of pilots think they would be back to their jobs; Comair, TSA, Republic. Third, notice how I never said anything about "Im glad Mesa is going to go under or I wish Mesa went under then I would have a job. I just said that I could see what they were saying becasue I am in the same position that they are. Finally, I dont wish any furlough on any pilot.

This really isn't Mesa doing anything nice. If you read the email closely it just says that this allows 150 pilots to keep there jobs during the holiday season. They have so many pilots timing out for the year. Bates wanted to make it look like they are doing something so nice. Alot of these 150 pilots are Dash F.O. If they furloughed them there Dash operation would be hurt. They will run the Displacement probably during the Last week of December. Once this happends, those pilots will be furloughed. It never said in that email that they are hiring those pilots back that lost there job. They just furloughed enough to keep the Dash running. We will see how nice they are come the first of the month.

We've already been over this, but if you insist on going there again, the very first line of the memo states that Mesa WILL NOT be furloughing any pilots. Six paragraphs down in a statement about how Mesa will be a little fat on pilots for the next little while J.B. mentions that although we will be overstaffed, it means 150 pilots will have a job this holiday season and through these tough economic times. He's simply stating the fact that because their not going to furlough, people will have jobs this holiday, that's it. It's just filler. Why would Mesa announce furloughs over three months ago, say the furloughs were going to happen in October, sit on them for three months delaying and delaying them and then cancel them after all of that, just to reinstate them two weeks later? Open your eyes.

Don't you think that is a poor comparison? You care comparing Mesa to Southwest. Direct opposites.... SWA has some of the highest pilot pay in the industry, Mesa, at the bottom. People keeping the bottom feeder going are to blame.

Ok, again, I must comment. Don't mean to single you out just educate you. They announced in late September they would be furloughing 150 pilots. On October 3, myself and 14 other Mesa line pilots received notice that we would be furloughed as of Oct 19. So this e-mail was misleading making it seem like they never furloughed any of the 150. What about my holiday season? They gave me two weeks notice and I was done. Again, I don't mean to single you out but I have talked to several Mesa pilots and NO ONE knows people were furloughed unless you knew one of the lucky 15 that were actually furloughed. The company, nor ALPA, have sent out ANY communication about the furloughs that actually happened. Also remember this is in addition to the 49 pilots that were furloughed in mid July that were two weeks through in ground school....

Mesa did furlough in October though. They furloughed 15 pilots. That is on top of the 49 they furloughed who were still in class. I wouldn't be surprised if they make another furlough announcement at the beginning of 2009. There is no way Mesa will run overstaffed through the economic downturn.

If that is the case then those 15 pilots should get called back because they are part of that 150 and according to you the memo states they are not furloughing any pilots. They started the furlough process back in October and realized most of the pilots at the bottom the list were Dash pilots. They furloughed as many as they could which was 15 and two new hire CRJ ground schools. They then annouced the Displacement to move pilots from the CRJ. Then didn't account for end of the year time outs, so they had to delay the whole process. All they are trying to do right now is look like the good guys. Trying to get moral up for this new contract which with PBS I hear my result in more furloughs. Mesa loves to run this airline at bare bones minimum pilots. They won't run FAT on pilots to long. Let's see what January brings.

Point is no MORE pilots will be getting furloughed....at this time. Pretty much sums up almost every airline out there.

They put out the memo because they don't want 150+ pilots to sick out Christmas and New Years.

So propdriver, how you liking that avatar? I'm sure you have the ability or creativity to come up with your own and all.

Right... because Mesa is afraid to look like the bad guys by keeping more staff than necessary. Companies teetering on the edge of bankruptcy just like to keep the payroll bigger than they have to out of fear of looking bad. Get real.... :rolleyes:

The furloughs were cancelled because the displacements in equipment would cost more than keeping the pilots on the payroll.

Listen guys, I personally know multiple people that were furloughed out of ground school and two of the 15 active pilots furloughed. I don't agree with the wording of the memo. I was simply making the argument that I don't think this memo was referring to the furloughs being cancelled only over the holiday season. J.B. should have made mention to those of you who are currently out of a job. I think if Mesa is going to cancel the furlough they should at least recall the 15 who were part of the initial furlough. It's only fair in my opinion. Mesa needs to take responsibility for those pilots who they have already furloughed and address them when they send out memos like this. I am very sorry any of you have been furloughed, I can promise you that I'll do my part to get you back by not picking up open time.

I wish you all the best and a quick recall. Good luck.