Will Fly for Free
12-10-2008 | 06:44 PM
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This same article wouldn't have been written a year ago. With the glut of pilots then this same jerk would have gotten on with the regional of his choice. Now we're all worried about some Cessna 421 job. It's pretty sad really.
The only thing is that whoever hires someone to fly a $2 million aircraft for free is so shortsighted that maintenance will suffer next followed by getting rid of the aircraft and abusing the pilot until that happens. Hopefully it will push him out of aviation altogether.
The best thing about our current bad situation in the airlines is that it washes out those who are in it for all the wrong reasons.
The only thing is that whoever hires someone to fly a $2 million aircraft for free is so shortsighted that maintenance will suffer next followed by getting rid of the aircraft and abusing the pilot until that happens. Hopefully it will push him out of aviation altogether.
The best thing about our current bad situation in the airlines is that it washes out those who are in it for all the wrong reasons.
12-10-2008 | 06:52 PM
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Now i'm suffering and struggling to pay my student loan payment each month.
12-10-2008 | 06:52 PM
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back when i was the DO of a DC-3 outfit in the 90's,i had a kid come in and offer to fly for free, i told him he was putting a value on himself,by that offer,and it wasn't a high one, then i gently lectured him on how this attitude undercuts the profession, i think i ****ed him off
12-10-2008 | 06:53 PM
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My wife put herself through the same aviation program as me without a penny in tuition or room and board money from her parents. Thankfully for her, she's smarter than I am and had academic & merit-based scholarships which helped with costs, and working 10hrs/day on weekends helped cover the rest. Her student loans upon graduation would buy a BMW 3 Series.
Big dumb me was an out-of-state student and while I had help from my parents, I was also under orders to get a job to cover my expenses. I did get a job, and at my high point was actively working 3 while taking between 15 and 20 hours of class. I also had an AFROTC scholarship that helped offset costs a little...and I still graduated with enough student loans to buy a really nice Escalade.
I'm not so much concerned that you ignorantly paint everyone who graduated from a collegiate aviation program as coming from a background of wealth, as much as I am that you sound really bitter about those who did.
Even if one doesn't know what its like to live paycheck-to-paycheck (which we all should hope we never have to do) while in college, they'll certainly figure it out when mommy & daddy cut the purse strings and they're drawing their $25k/year regional FO salary.
As far as working for free....well, you get what you pay for...
Big dumb me was an out-of-state student and while I had help from my parents, I was also under orders to get a job to cover my expenses. I did get a job, and at my high point was actively working 3 while taking between 15 and 20 hours of class. I also had an AFROTC scholarship that helped offset costs a little...and I still graduated with enough student loans to buy a really nice Escalade.
I'm not so much concerned that you ignorantly paint everyone who graduated from a collegiate aviation program as coming from a background of wealth, as much as I am that you sound really bitter about those who did.
Even if one doesn't know what its like to live paycheck-to-paycheck (which we all should hope we never have to do) while in college, they'll certainly figure it out when mommy & daddy cut the purse strings and they're drawing their $25k/year regional FO salary.
As far as working for free....well, you get what you pay for...
12-10-2008 | 11:08 PM
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Well think about it, most of kid pilots come from middle to upper middle class. Upper class think of piloting for a living in the same way as being a bus/truck driver. Lower class, can't afford it. A lot don't really know what it's like to live pay check to paycheck, especially the emory dribble and other college aviation kids who are basically living off of their parents.
This guy on the article does a good job of bringing up an issue that will ALWAYS be with this profession. Just like being a lawyer or doctor, you have to start somewhere and sometimes even do things for free. It's not a shocking concept. I do think flying for free ss rare but also the guys that bash this idea have never found themselves desperate or have never walked in the persons shoes. When I was furloughed I found it very difficult to do anything other than min wage jobs, If I had gone on for a few more months who knows what I would have done to find a flying job.
This guy on the article does a good job of bringing up an issue that will ALWAYS be with this profession. Just like being a lawyer or doctor, you have to start somewhere and sometimes even do things for free. It's not a shocking concept. I do think flying for free ss rare but also the guys that bash this idea have never found themselves desperate or have never walked in the persons shoes. When I was furloughed I found it very difficult to do anything other than min wage jobs, If I had gone on for a few more months who knows what I would have done to find a flying job.
1st of all MANY military, FAA and mainline pilots have gone to that college. So they must be doing something right. You are bashing on one of the most reputable aviation universities in the world. FAA's FAST teams even have their training classes runned at Riddle. (I didn't attend Riddle but I respect that college)
2nd of all these so called KIDS atleast have a DEGREE and is more well rounded. If they get the F they have options, get a masters or even use their degree.
and finally, I know many fellow service members that went to Riddle with their GI bill. Money they earned serving our country. DO NOT ASSUME that everyone that goes to an aviation academy/college had a free ride. MANY DID NOT. Just because one person couldn't afford to go doesn't mean that another person in his/her shoes can't find a way.
I'm sorry but sometimes I think the people on these forums bash on college educated pilots, just because they didn't get a degree. I maybe wrong but it really seems that way. Learning to fly was easy, college itself I thought was way harder.
and about working for free.... all I can say is wow.... Those who value their training and education would value their labor a tad higher then $0.00.
12-10-2008 | 11:39 PM
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wow....
1st of all MANY military, FAA and mainline pilots have gone to that college. So they must be doing something right. You are bashing on one of the most reputable aviation universities in the world. FAA's FAST teams even have their training classes runned at Riddle. (I didn't attend Riddle but I respect that college)
2nd of all these so called KIDS atleast have a DEGREE and is more well rounded. If they get the F they have options, get a masters or even use their degree.
and finally, I know many fellow service members that went to Riddle with their GI bill. Money they earned serving our country. DO NOT ASSUME that everyone that goes to an aviation academy/college had a free ride. MANY DID NOT. Just because one person couldn't afford to go doesn't mean that another person in his/her shoes can't find a way.
I'm sorry but sometimes I think the people on these forums bash on college educated pilots, just because they didn't get a degree. I maybe wrong but it really seems that way. Learning to fly was easy, college itself I thought was way harder.
and about working for free.... all I can say is wow.... Those who value their training and education would value their labor a tad higher then $0.00.
1st of all MANY military, FAA and mainline pilots have gone to that college. So they must be doing something right. You are bashing on one of the most reputable aviation universities in the world. FAA's FAST teams even have their training classes runned at Riddle. (I didn't attend Riddle but I respect that college)
2nd of all these so called KIDS atleast have a DEGREE and is more well rounded. If they get the F they have options, get a masters or even use their degree.
and finally, I know many fellow service members that went to Riddle with their GI bill. Money they earned serving our country. DO NOT ASSUME that everyone that goes to an aviation academy/college had a free ride. MANY DID NOT. Just because one person couldn't afford to go doesn't mean that another person in his/her shoes can't find a way.
I'm sorry but sometimes I think the people on these forums bash on college educated pilots, just because they didn't get a degree. I maybe wrong but it really seems that way. Learning to fly was easy, college itself I thought was way harder.
and about working for free.... all I can say is wow.... Those who value their training and education would value their labor a tad higher then $0.00.
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12-10-2008 | 11:47 PM
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I realise that emory dribble is the Harvard of the skies. And that proffesional gear operator degree you get there for 100k is really valuable when you're furloughed from the right seat CRJ. I'm sure most are ok but many that I've run into were interesting characters. I mean you'd probably have to be to spend 2 years taking FMS101 and CRJ202 classes.
12-11-2008 | 12:00 AM
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It's getting hot in here, huh?
Surprised it took this long, what with the potential for all out class warfare waiting in the wings.
Slow down just a bit you two, you'd probably have a good time discussing this over a beer and not get so dang aggravated if you were'nt on this website with a whole bunch of others watching.
Everybody has made sacrifices to be in this business, some to varying degrees financially, or personally. Some start off fine, and then a few years down the road wake up at 3am in a cold sweat in some hotel room wondering what they've gotten themselves into as far their futures are concerned. Not me, friends have told me this.
The fact of the matter is that we all got ourselves into this, and we all (I hope) still are proud of ourselves for what we've accomplished. Many different paths can be taken to get there. Some flew DC-3's slinging ice off the props at night. Some bought some time in the right seat. Some wrenched. Some earned the GI bill. Some instructed the worst students ever. Some got lucky in their life's path. Some did not.
Just look out for yourself and your fellow Aviators as best you can.
We're all in this together.
Surprised it took this long, what with the potential for all out class warfare waiting in the wings.
Slow down just a bit you two, you'd probably have a good time discussing this over a beer and not get so dang aggravated if you were'nt on this website with a whole bunch of others watching.
Everybody has made sacrifices to be in this business, some to varying degrees financially, or personally. Some start off fine, and then a few years down the road wake up at 3am in a cold sweat in some hotel room wondering what they've gotten themselves into as far their futures are concerned. Not me, friends have told me this.
The fact of the matter is that we all got ourselves into this, and we all (I hope) still are proud of ourselves for what we've accomplished. Many different paths can be taken to get there. Some flew DC-3's slinging ice off the props at night. Some bought some time in the right seat. Some wrenched. Some earned the GI bill. Some instructed the worst students ever. Some got lucky in their life's path. Some did not.
Just look out for yourself and your fellow Aviators as best you can.
We're all in this together.
12-11-2008 | 12:10 AM
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I realise that emory dribble is the Harvard of the skies. And that proffesional[gear operator degree you get there for 100k is really valuable when you're furloughed from the right seat CRJ. I'm sure most are ok but many that I've run into were interesting characters. I mean you'd probably have to be to spend 2 years taking FMS101 and CRJ202 classes.
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