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Old 12-11-2008 | 12:22 AM
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Old 12-11-2008 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
You have to consider the management team at AOPA. They cater towards wealthy people who fly for fun.
Wow, really? There must be two AOPAs out there: the one most of us are familiar with, and the one of which you speak.
Here in Reality Land, AOPA has consistently fought to keep the price of flying down while at the same time making it more accessible for everybody.
I guess you were thrown off by the fact that annual dues have stayed at $39 (what a princely sum ) during the entire tenure of Boyer's presidency. Don't worry about it though, you're a big bad Airline Pilot.
Old 12-11-2008 | 07:12 AM
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A very touchy subject to be sure - but let's all calm the fire under our heels before this thread spirls out of control.

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Old 12-11-2008 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
You have to consider the management team at AOPA. They cater towards wealthy people who fly for fun.
You don't have any idea at all about what your talking about do you?
AOPA from their airport support volunteers all the way up to Boyer himself have historically been all about keeping flying affordable, and not overly burdoned with excess regulations and fees. If you're trying to judge an entire organization by only one of their several magazines, then you just don't get it, and aren't worth the time to try and explain it.

I guess boating magazine only caters to the rich since the majority of their reviews are on the newest products as well, which tend to be more expensive than older used boats... or perhaps the NRA only caters to the rich, since guns cost so much new...

are you for real? OR, was that just flame bait?
Old 12-11-2008 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by daniel0265
It is spelled... realize and professional. (ENG 101)


Originally Posted by daniel0265
FAA's FAST teams even have their training classes runned at Riddle.


My English isn’t the greatest but this doesn’t look right to me and spell check couldn’t find it either..
Hypocrisy knows no bounds?
But the bigger issue is why go to that level? Let’s all play nice
Old 12-11-2008 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
I realise that emory dribble is the Harvard of the skies. And that proffesional gear operator degree you get there for 100k is really valuable when you're furloughed from the right seat CRJ. I'm sure most are ok but many that I've run into were interesting characters. I mean you'd probably have to be to spend 2 years taking FMS101 and CRJ202 classes.

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Old 12-11-2008 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
You don't have any idea at all about what your talking about do you?
AOPA from their airport support volunteers all the way up to Boyer himself have historically been all about keeping flying affordable, and not overly burdoned with excess regulations and fees. If you're trying to judge an entire organization by only one of their several magazines, then you just don't get it, and aren't worth the time to try and explain it.

I guess boating magazine only caters to the rich since the majority of their reviews are on the newest products as well, which tend to be more expensive than older used boats... or perhaps the NRA only caters to the rich, since guns cost so much new...

are you for real? OR, was that just flame bait?
I partly agree with the original post. I realize people in Europe and all over the world have it pretty bad when it comes to fees and regulations. I am grateful to AOPA that we don't have user fees or any of the other regulations that other countries have. However, if the mission of AOPA is to keep flying affordable for the masses, then they have failed. Walk around the your local GA airport and look at the people there. They are not your average middle class American citizen. Most are of the independently wealthy, brain surgeon, lawyer type. The average Joe can not afford to fly for fun like he use to be able to in the late 70's and through the 80's. I have a plane and I can't afford to fly it. Once I am done with the maintenance and the storage fees I am lucky if I can get up for an hour a month. Have you ever looked at the price for an interior plastic piece for a Cessna? Why does a part for an airplane cost 5 times as much as the same part I can go buy at NAPA? (I partly know the answer to this question but it is one example of how GA is pricing itself out of the market). This year I am not renewing my AOPA fees. Maybe it is selfish of me but I feel even without AOPA we'd be in the same situation we are in right now. I'm going to use my money instead to buy 8 gallons of AvGas.
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Originally Posted by daniel0265
It is spelled... realize and professional. (ENG 101)
No offense, but you really may want to reconsider bashing anybody else's spelling and/or grammar.
Old 12-11-2008 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Time2Fly



My English isn’t the greatest but this doesn’t look right to me and spell check couldn’t find it either..
Hypocrisy knows no bounds?
But the bigger issue is why go to that level? Let’s all play nice
Haha...thank you for being that guy. Someone had to call that out.

Back to the issue...

Generation X and Y regional FOs take the scraps because anything looks good after going 100k in debt for the training. Let's face it; it's a widely accepted scabbing; if you don't fly the banner for $12 a load, some other cat will...that schmo might even do it for free. Isn't that where it all starts? Does it start before that? Does the learned worthlessness begin during training these days?

I recently graduated from...er...escaped from the 141/university environment where every young guy was pitted against the other for the twin time that paid $15/hr with 0 benefits. I can tell you that the attitudes are taught.

"Don't mind the pay...suck it up...get your time and get out."

The low rent regional pilot isn't born...he's trained.

I know this! I'm that guy.
Old 12-11-2008 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
I partly agree with the original post. I realize people in Europe and all over the world have it pretty bad when it comes to fees and regulations. I am grateful to AOPA that we don't have user fees or any of the other regulations that other countries have. However, if the mission of AOPA is to keep flying affordable for the masses, then they have failed. Walk around the your local GA airport and look at the people there. They are not your average middle class American citizen. Most are of the independently wealthy, brain surgeon, lawyer type. The average Joe can not afford to fly for fun like he use to be able to in the late 70's and through the 80's. I have a plane and I can't afford to fly it. Once I am done with the maintenance and the storage fees I am lucky if I can get up for an hour a month. Have you ever looked at the price for an interior plastic piece for a Cessna? Why does a part for an airplane cost 5 times as much as the same part I can go buy at NAPA? (I partly know the answer to this question but it is one example of how GA is pricing itself out of the market). This year I am not renewing my AOPA fees. Maybe it is selfish of me but I feel even without AOPA we'd be in the same situation we are in right now. I'm going to use my money instead to buy 8 gallons of AvGas.
+2.

I don't own an aircraft but I had been a member of the AOPA since '01 when I started flying. I canceled my membership this year and will not be renewing again. I LOVE the ASF!!! But the AOPA has gone down hill in my opinion. I use to donate to the AOPA, their PAC and ASF (still do the ASF).

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Well written article, thanks Mark.








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