So, when do we get ACARS up and running for the scheduled vs actual pay? For the record I voted NO and I have the reciept!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALso dont forget to taxi and fly SLOW! Lets get our raise one way or the other!

On-line or via telephone. Not physical. It is "to make sure crew members will be working their assigned trips." If no check in within 2 hours, reserves will be called to re-crew the trip.

Many think there will be re-assigning done during these calls, however ALPA and the company signed an LOA regarding the company's ability to do that.

I've been trying to get on the hub but I've been unable due to not receiving the registration email. I've emailed the web master about it but progress has been slow.

I think I read a post by Sniper saying that we should not blame ALPA for this decision and I have to agree with his logic because we voted in the representatives and the whole thing was a democratic process. However our NC and ALPA MEC that sent this TA to the pilots for ratification, i believe, sold us short.

What we needed was/is pilot group unification. This TA has just cleft the pilot group in two. ALPA, the NC and our MEC could have unified our pilot group by sending an agreement that they were SURE would been approved by 90%+ of our group. Yet they chose not to do that apparently because they did not have 'negotiating capitol'.

Perhaps the better strategy would have been to send out the first TA which IIRC was turned down by the MEC for ratification because it was too awful. That way the pilot group would be compelled to land slide a 'NO' vote, show unity and strength and then have the NC go back with some more 'negotiating capitol' i.e. the pilot group unification.

Anyway enough of the Monday morning quarter back for me. It is what it is. Now we have to make the best of it, unify the pilot group, work the contract to our best advantage and be very sure about the gains we need in 2010.

The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not. I just hope they can learn from their mistakes. What was it that bush said:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

What's probably the most ironic is that those junior guys(in ORD, IAD and what ever crappy junior base Mesa has as well as the junior CAs) that I am assuming are the only ones who voted yes are going to be the first guys furloughed or downgraded soon when Mesa refocuses on ways to make money. Mesa is now officially the lowest regional out there, it's officially confirmed with this TA. You guys should prodcue 1500 I voted NO Mesa 400 stickers because all 1500 pilots will ask for it, that's the kind of place mesa is.

Your position at GoJets doesn't allow you to look down your nose at non-scab carriers.

LOL, as much as I would love to get into it, I have better things to do. How does it feel that your contract will now be ON PAR with the Gojet contract?:eek::eek::eek: Congratulations, MESA! Thank ALPA for the hard work.

No please educate us on the matter I need a good laugh after reading this thread. :cool:

While the passage of this TA is pathetic, GJ is still lower in my opinion. The 418 yes men, didn't screw anyone outside their own company.

Sorry, wishful thinking. Mesa may suck, but it's still no Gojets.

Step 1. Get some popcorn

Step 2. Search on APC: Gojet, Gay

Step 3. Enjoy

"The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not."

Not so fast, Ive personally talked to quite a few senior captians in phx that were going to vote yes. Some of them were afraid "the new guys" were going to be the ones who voted this TA down. These guys were afraid that they might lose thier job if this didnt pass. Apparently very senior people here dont learn from thier mistakes!

Well I did laugh when I read your post. Cheers.

Well you confirmed my hunch.

Well I'd say they did but it's my opinion. It's about the greater good though, not about the ME! ME! ME! mentality that the passing of this TA clearly exhibits. No, gojet doesn't hold a candle to the debauchery that mesa has created like the demise of Aloha, a 50 year legacy, constant undercutting of the regional industry, and the years that it has set regionals back in qol. Until today it was thought that it was management's fault but this TA has confirmed that the pilots are right behind management. What possible argument can any of you have after the passing of this TA? I feel sorry for all of you that voted yes, you're going to be forever associated with the passing of the 2008 TA.

I love it that this thread is virtually missing any Mesa bashing at all . . . it's all Mesa pilots and former Mesa pilots saying how disappointed they are. Good to see a thread like this, Mesa pilots talking about Mesa hoenstly (rather than other pilots 'poo-poo'ing Mesa).

Until a 'go jet' pilot gets on here and bashes Mesa - typical.

And yeah, Airfix, you got the message. Blame ALPA, blame the industry, blame the economy, blame whoever - in the end, it's only the fault of those currently @ Mesa. You voted in the leadership that nominated the negotiating committee, who negotiated the TA, who sent it out to the pilots, and then (just barely, but it counts the same as a windfall) the MAG pilots voted it in.

Hopefully, in 2 years, with more @ stake and more airlines @ the table @ the same time, things will change. The 'we have a gun to our heads' story is a pretty hard sell right now - there's no alter ego carrier to contend with, but I'm sure a good story will emerge soon.

For now, unify behind the current TA as best you can.

BURflyer,

Keep posting, someday you will feel good about yourself!

I was going to make you look stupid, but you took care of that for me.

Thanks.

With that: Let's click ignore on BUR, and/or quit feeding the troll. Back to Mesa TA discussion.

Is it true there is no pay raise and the 8 day off thing remains? Just curious..

No pay rise for captains, ever. Not even a CPI link. FO's get a one time 2% increase in 2010 with no CPI. Reserve min days off is increased to 11. PBS introduced with no pilot control over parameters. Electronic check in 24 to 2 hours prior to show time.

The argument that ALPA made is that block or better and line guarantee is effectively a 20% pay raise. Well block or better wouldn't have helped me yesterday as I was sitting in an airport with a scheduled 19:30 departure but a wheels up time of 02:30. For those 7 hours I made approximately $10 of per diem :o. Obviously this won't change in the new contract.

Damn guys. Sucks. We were pullin' for you guys over here at TSA...good luck:(

Keep your spew out of this thread.

Mesa and 418 pilots SUCKS

No pay raises

HELL NO *** guys no F'ng excuse

JO must be thrilled

The race to the bottom continues. Good job to the fabulous 418.
Last ditch effort by the pilots before Mesa goes belly up. At first I felt bad for Mesa pilots. Now I really don't. Who do those 418 think they are?

Only 5 more days til they are delisted.

Thanks man, what a refreshing point of view. Maybe if we had more people in this industry like you we could could actually start making some changes around here.

Let this thread be proof that just because we work for Mesa doesn't mean we're all bottom feeders trying desperately to undercut the industry and steal everyones jobs away from them as we are often made out to be on this site. Many of us (400 to be exact) want drastic change and are trying to force such change from inside the company. If anything I would think Mesa bashers would sympathize with many of us as we are trying to exact change around here and
make Mesa a decent place to work. Most Mesa pilots that regularly post on this forum have spoken here, and all have said they voted no to the ratification of this TA. We're trying guys and working to improve something is much more meaningful than sitting behind a keyboard and bashing it hoping it will go away. I just don't see Mesa going away anytime soon and even if it did, I guarantee you there would be another to take it's place. There always will be. So although we may have lost this battle by 18 votes, the war still rages on and will until this place changes for the better, or goes under. I'm proud to be part of the Mesa 400 and proud to see other Mesa pilots who have stood up for what they feel is right and just. I can assure you I'll keep at it as long as I'm here.

How much truth is there to this? I tried finding info but couldn't find anything.

They aren't going to be de-listed. Nasdaq dropped the de-listing requirement temporarily until Jan, even then JO will be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat just like he has done with every other Mesa issue. Mesa I think will be around anyways even if they downsize, they're too cheap not to have around.

too bad Mesa is on the NASDAQ

ALPA seems to think it was a good deal.

Mesa Pilots Ratify New Contract with Significant Gains: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

Listen, I just play the game. I have no control over what management does with their money and capital. The only thing we can control, I would have truly voted no. As much as you think the idea of whining behind your keyboard and calling anonymous people scabs help you, it does absolutely nothing but separate pilots. We have to be united to get anything done. Look at what has happened with this TA, the boards made it seem like it was going to be a landslide NO, 20% of the eligible pilots didn't even vote! And the rest said YES!

Did you learn that at emory dribble?

OMG great comeback. You go around spreading false information and someone corrects you so you turn around and make fun of him. Thats so funny. Its ok to admit that you were wrong.

I was wrong about NYSE but not about the info. A gojet pilot doesn't have a lot of money to dabble with stocks. On a second thought though.. I could probably afford more of Mesa stock. :eek::eek:

So who'd JO buy off to prevent de-listing? They've been < $1.00 since May and they're still on there. Circuit City comes along, takes a nose dive, and is de-listed a month before they declare bankruptcy.

Mesa pilots wanted it and got it.

Don't feel sorry for them, harrass them or listen to any complaints or rationalization in the future. They freely chose their existance and sadly it appears a set of kneepads will be issued to all, but thankfully they will match their backboards, so at least they'll be color coordinated.

Xin Loi boys and girls.........what a depressing trip to work it will be for many a year to come. Don't blame J.O., payroll or scheduling, this is ENTIRELY self-inflicted.

Make no mistake, I am not whining. I am expressing my disappointment in my fellow MAG pilots. There is a big, big difference.

You speak of not separating pilots and uniting everyone, then you refer to E.R. as "emory dribble."

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That's a shame. I really didn't think you guys would buy JO's hype.

Stockholm syndrome?

Dude,

I for one, don't look for sympathy but would rather have support from other pilot groups. I don't see this kind of post as constructive. All the Mesa bashing does nothing to help except reveal your ignorance. I would bet that most of the pilots bashing this decision don't know a whole lot about the negotiations, the contract we came from or the contract we are going to.

I work at Mesa and fully engaged myself in this TA process by reading all the ALPA emails and documents, talking to my peers, attending road shows and conference calls. Even with all that work I was not privy to all the intricacies of the negotitaions. I don't know how someone like you can get on your high horse and criticise because I'll bet you don't have all the facts.

True I feel let down by my fellow Mesa pilots. I do think we could have gotten more, but obviously I was in the minority. Nobody knows, not even you Eaglefly, at this point if ALPA have unknowingly mislead the pilot group. No matter what anybody says I do think our MEC does have the Mesa pilot groups best interests at heart.

Did you know that part of the strategy behind this two year contract stated in the roadshows was to time our negotiations in 2010 to match up with ALPA negotiations at 12 other ALPA carriers including 6 other regional carriers as well as have a more favourable democratic government? The thought process is that perhaps ALPA could collectively bargain for all these regional carriers together thus being stronger together then each individually. The 6 regional carriers in question were Air Wisconsin, ASA, Comair, Eagle, Express Jet and Mesaba. The ALPA theory is that we selflesly take a low ball contract for 2 years for the greater good of all regional carriers opening up negotiations in 2010.

Sure I think this is spin doctoring which is a reason why I voted no, but nobody is going to know if it will work until 2010. If it works in 2010 our MEC and ALPA will be thought of as geniuses.

I just hope our NC was correct in its strategy and only time will tell. In the mean time I'm a glass is half full kind of guy and will work with what we have.

More people with attitudes like Positive_Rate is what is needed around here. Thanks for the good wishes P_R.

Wow, never heard of this before, you mean to tell me people were voting based on what is going to happen 2 to 4 years from now?? How about the fact that in 2010 or 12 other bottom feeding managements like TSA look at the mesa ta in 2008? HOw does that help. It's called being a bottom feeder and they will ALWAYS be a bottom feeder, even in 2010, and with the help the 2008 pilots have given JO, there will be NO stopping him. This time there weren't any threats of job losses or concessions and it was still voted IN! JO must be overwhelmed at the stupidity of his pilots. What makes you think JO will give you anything 2 years from now? Mesa has had absolutely no problem working with a bottom feeding contract while most other airlines have had block or better, duty rigs, better work rules. All while lying to everyone that they had a happy workforce and one of the highest paid CRJ pilots. What makes you think they won't continue the same even when EVERY other regional contract will be superior in 2010 and beyond?? This was the best and only chance for Mesa pilots to get something since they had no guns pointed to their heads and no actual jobs were on the line, only theoretical. We know you are not the problem Airfix, but mesa airline pilots have spoken.

YOU can't seriously be saying this. I agree that this TA was a bad thing for the industry as a whole, but there is nothing more directly hurting TSA pilots than the GoJet contract. How can we possibly ask for a raise when you are only making $2-5 more than we are?

Why on God's green earth would Hulas agree to pay us more when our "brothers" at IBT got GoJet pilots to agree to that BS contract you have?

"Hmm, I could pay the TSA guys more or give more flying to GJ....which should I do?" Is there any other holding company out there that can DIRECTLY funnel flying from one SENIORITY LIST to another?

All I'm saying is that you have absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to "I wouldn't have voted for this" or "i would stand up for that". YOU went to GoJet!

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