Mesa TA passes
 

All votes are in. The New TA passed. There were 818 pilots who voted. (76.18%) 418 for (51.1%) and 400 against (48.9%). A very close vote.
New negotiations start September 2010. Enjoy. :mad:

Out of 1076 eligible voters:

418 yea
400 nay
258 did not vote


Disgusting. :mad:

Now the mesa bashing will continue, well deserved.

Mesa Pilots "0"
J.O. "VICTORY A NEW LOW"

Where can I get an "I VOTED NO" sticker?

I've said it all before...........

This is how it is alll going to play out...

JO has to sell the TA to mesa. And he will be telling the pilots that either they take the TA or they will be out of a job. WWJD?

So the TA will pass, Mesa will be at the bottom once again. Mesa pilot saved their jobs, abiet with a gun to their heads.

JO can then get financing because of the "Industry Leading Contract". Beneficial to management only.

Mesa pays off the law suits with the newly invested money. Goes about getting new contracts because he can now undercut all other airlines with his low labor costs.

JO gives himself a big bonus for saving Mesa and retires.

We all go on hating Mesa till 2014 when they have the guns to their heads once again...

So if i was u and had some extra money, i would buy mesa stock. They are a cockroach and will not die. Double your money by Feb.

Is that a response to Two Girls One Cup?

Who actually counted these votes anyway? Is it possible JO had an evil hand in this? 18 votes...Demand a recount.

Well they had their chance to shed the stigma. I feel sorry for the no camp as they now have to endure this embarassment for another xxx years. Before I was compelled to refute the mesa bashing, now I will simply watch on the sidelines. For all the no voters may you find greener pastures. Yeah go Alpa. PS I want my merger fund $ back.

I don't work for MESA (military guy) but I have followed this TA very closely...It's kept my attention of what the industry is turning into. For those 400 who voted no - It's a pleasure sharing the skies above FL180 with you. For those who voted yes - don't fly too close to those warning areas.

@$%^&#$%.

THIS is why I left, not because I was afraid of standing up to JO (I was looking forward to it) but because I had a gut feeling that too many of my fellow "professionals" at mesa would fold under pressure. I OBVIOUSLY made the right decision, but I was hoping for a different outcome.

Pathetic.

Thanks! Now how long until an email comes out warning against sporting such stickers...

Well we just voted in PBS. The general concensus is that PBS reduces necessary staffing levels by 10% or so.

Do you guys at least have "block or better now"?

Yes and line Guarantee and CX pay
but it can all be takin away with 60 or 90 days notice if Mesa wants out of PBS

It will be highly unlikely that the company would cancel PBS. It saves them big $ every year. If the pilot group decides to get rid of it, they lose block or better and line gurantee. :eek:

then why did they tie it on their end?
If all the Pros cost $1 more then PBS saves do you think they will keep it?

The passing of this TA is pathetic. Mesa will continue to be the scum of the regional airlines. I thought we had a chance to gain some respect with this contract. :mad:

The Mesa 400
 

"THE MESA 400"

Be proud my brothers and sisters. I'll recognize you. You are the true professionals with a strong sense of self-worth. You are the one's with head held high, walking proud, spine intact.

Don't despair, you never really lose a well fought fight. Don't waste your time hating the self-subjugating "Invertibrate 418". Spend your valuable time convincing them to fight with us in the next conflict.

Prepare for "The Great Battle of September 2010" http://mesahub.com/mesahub/Smileys/d...%20fighter.gif

Winglet
Proud Member of the MESA 400

I need one of those.

18 votes. I'm embarassed.

Buy stock
 

I bought 300 shares of mesa stock!!! I would to if I were you, I know JO will all of a sudden pull lots of money out a$$ and mesa will be doing just fine for the next two years (until Sept 2010). When the last TA passed in May of 03 Mesa stock was at 3 bucks and within a month was over 12 and JO bought him self a new Bentley. I know lots of people are spelling the doom and gloom for Mesa but that's what JO wants you to believe, mark my words the bonds will get renegotiated and mesa will be making money once again JO probably had this planned out all along.

Don't put too much stock in this...the kind of people who voted yes will also put this sticker on their bag. You might see 600 of these things floating around :rolleyes:

Being that I havent followed this very closely, what specifically made this TA so bad? Or even better what was left out of it that would have made it acceptable?

Left out:
-Pay raise
-Trip/duty rigs
-Countless work rules

Put in:
-PBS (read: concession)
-Certificate lock
-Check in prior to trips
-no more pay override for picking up open time

That's only a few.

paxhauler85 go to mesahub.com There are stickers being generated. I am getting a few myself and will be ordering more for those interested. "400" for those who voted NO!

Does this mean all the Mesa bashing was/will be justified? This should have been at least a 90% no. I'm not really surprised though, this just confirms the downward spiral of the industry with Mesa leading the way. I don't know if JO wasn't willing to give them a good contract this time why 2 years from now? Very sad day for us who want to raise the industry standards. I can only imagine how JO must be feeling right now.

Thanks for keeping the bar low to those guys that voted yes!!! Sure will help us hold the line over here at 9E in our ongoing negotiations (we've actually had the cahones to keep pushing "NO" 4 years rather than accept crap)...way to keep the industry average compensation low on the RJ fellas!! Ya know, wouldn't wanna get a raise or anything, since inflation is only what....3% per year. Hell I'll just buy lotto tickets to cover that!!!...also, now when other regionals try to negotiate an "industry average" payrate on the RJ, we won't have to do all that complicated math to calculate in the change in industry average caused by a raise at Mesa...keep things simple--don't change the payrate and no math or new complicated graphs required in negotiations!!! Awesome!!!! You guys just saved 9E management lots of brainwork!!!

To those of you who voted no...thank you for your efforts...I know you'll leave the next chance you get, and I hope one day there is an opportunity for that to happen...I will gladly walk in your resume at 9E if we ever hire again or get a contract of our own...we'll try to actually get a raise over here so you might have a good place to come to if Mesa goes under in the next year anyways...

As much as I hate JO and what he's done to our industry...it's kind of like Castro...you gotta hand it to the guy for staying in power/surviving that long...wow...he's like Hep C or Herpes...just can't get rid of him...

ARRRGGGGHHHH only 18 votes!!!

I finally convinced my captain this month to vote no but as of yesterday he hadn't voted yet because all the paperwork for login was still at home. He thought he wouldn't need to vote because it would be a landslide NO.

Jeeez. :rolleyes:

You are right on there Rickair. Out of those 418 pilots most are lacking in the manly department they will tell you they voted NO because they are embarrassed that they actually voted YES.

To the 418: "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?"

I'll tell you what, I just jope ALPA does a much better job for the pilot group in 2 years time and that I'm not here to see the results. They really will have to negotiate a top of the industry contract to make up for the last 2 loads of trash.

I'm just really disappointed in my Mesa colleagues that voted YES. You had a chance and you blew it. Now I guess we just have to get on with making this new contract work to our best advantage possible.

Remind me again when do I need to tell the captain to release the brake to start block? Oh yeah just before I go out to do walk around. :D

Airfix go to mesahub for your sticker

That's why you print out the confirmation number and part that reads: "I am AGAINST the tentative agreement..." and carry it with you!

Still no more days off, no rigs, no inflation adjustement, no move days, the company's discretion to re-assign your trip if it falls outside the "on time" window etc. etc. (Commuter hell all over and now we have to check-in 2 hours prior - Sheesh!). C'mon, it's not like we asked for much! Now, where's my "400" sticker dammit!!!

We should just merge this thread with the "Will Fly for Free" thread...

haha... made my day:)

There must have been a lot of Mesa pilots out there that said they were voting no and then voted yes. I was fairly vocal about why I felt this TA deserved a no and it seemed almost everyone I talked to concurred. I honestly only met a very small handful of guys that said they were thinking of voting yes out of the large number I spoke to. I was honestly surprised when I found out the TA passed.

This checking in for flights requirement is not so that they know you're aware of the flight, it's so they can JRA you when we start running lean on pilots. Instead of on the release, it's going to be a JRA when you check in. Seems obvious enough to me, why not others? And what is with the 24% of pilots that didn't even vote?!?!?! That enrages me! At least the pilots that voted yes voted! It's a good thing I'm not given any responsibility other than to fly airplanes because if I had it my way, that 24% of pilots would be fired. How could you not care enough about your own QOL and the industry you work in to call a 1-800 number and give up 2 mins of your time?!? It disgusts me!

I'm proud to be 1 of the other 399 that voted no on this thing.

FWIW, I voted NO...not surprised it passed, though. I figured the vote would be close. In the mean time, I'll just go to work as usual, however, as someone just about in the top quarter of the seniority list who is the most junior line holder in base, if this contract's PBS degrades my quality of life I will stop paying dues, continue to use my ALPA magazine as leak-protection for the trash can, my pin will go into that same trash can, and I will permanently divorce myself from the union.

I thought the TA was a step in the right direction, but I always viewed it as a rough draft. Don't accept the sucker, send it back for some much needed improvements! Now by accepting the TA, we've lost the ability to do that.

But Mason, we don't fly for free. Our F/O's get a $.45 cent raise in January of 2010, with the new TA.

What? Isn't that good?

A very sad day indeed. If you were here last time you'll remember that 3 out of 4 voted yes, yet every single person you talked to said "Of course I voted no"....so be prepared. I still have my original "against vote" receipt from '03.

I guess the 418 were thinking lets live to fight another day, while the 400 were thinking this is the other day! Thanks.

-member MESA 400

What do you guys have to do now? Physically check in at the airport 2 hours prior to your trip??? Please tell me that's not the case...

When I left a few years back there was no check in technically since I don't recall where or who to check in with. 45 mins officially from what I recall, 30 if it was not the first day of the trip. So, I assume it's the same(or was). 2 hours? That's ridiculous. At Brown we only check in 90 prior for an international flight, 60 for domestic.