Extremely inappropriate, and even more so you feel as if you did them a 'favor' by waiting for everyone to get off before 'confronting' the crew. Who do you think you are ?

 

By the way, look up this dude in 'AE Jet Course', clearly he hasn't been hired and had a whole bunch of sour grapes to share with the crew.

 

ButtDyno! LMAO Bro!

I second the fact that confronting the crew was extremely inappropriate. I think it's safe to say that due to the lengthy upgrade time ANY Eagle CA has plenty of experience, and for you to question their decision making is way out of line. You WEREN'T up front, you weren't flying, therefore you WEREN'T a part of the decision making process. Don't armchair quaterback, it's tacky and inappropriate.

 

Being an ATR FO based at DFW and having flown into SJT numerous times let me answer your curiosities.

First of all, if the wind wasn't within the limits of our ops manual or the aircraft then we would not use it, it's as simple as that.

Secondly, the ATR is notoriously difficult to land, even in the best of conditions. I call it the 'great equalizer'. I've seen people with 5,000 hours in the plane give everybody a good old time during landing. The plane has a mind of its own when it comes to that, and getting a good landing, especially in windy conditions, is not our primary concern - we've been taught to fly it firmly into the ground. You do not want to bounce that plane under those conditions.

Third, the ATR very seldom stays on the centerline during a landing, and we don't tend to fight it. Reasons? 1. Props don't always reverse at the exact same time or to the same pitch or with the same amount of torque. 2. The brakes are fickle and grabby, often causing drift (which is more likely what caused the 'burning rubber smell'. We can stop that plane on a dime with reverse and hardly even touching the brakes, so I doubt anyone was standing on them. Also anti-skid will keep the wheels turning, so you're not going to get any burning rubber smell - other than the tiny bit of rubber that burns off when a wheel going 0 kts suddenly accelerates to 110 kts.

So what you experienced was nothing more than the usual gusty wind performance of an ATR and nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen this happen in the 757, MD80, 737, 777, 747 and about a dozen other aircraft. I defy you to do better, especially with the way the ATR lands.

Unless your practising for a job with the FAA, it would behoove you to drop things like this and forget about them. Its going to get you in trouble and it is inapropiate, extremely unprofessional. Questioning the crews judgement? Calling the tower? You weren't in the cockpit making the decisions or seeing what was going on, just a lowly pax sitting in the back - no frame of reference as to the situation. How do you know how fast the plane 'crossed the fence'? You had no airspeed indicator in front of you. Not to mention if it was gusty we would be carrying extra speed (as usual!).

Had you questioned me about such a thing, you would not have liked my response...and it would have followed with me asking you to leave my aircraft/the ramp/etc. and then having the gate agent put a note in the computer system with you name and the details of the event. If you weren't on the plane/ramp/etc you really wouldn't have liked my response as I have very limited patience for that crap - that's assuming I would have even bothered to recognize your existence. You have no right to question the flight crew over something so ridiculous. I'm surprised you didn't try to call the chief pilot as well. Nobody likes a backseat pilot.

 

Well Said. Armchair QB's suck!!!!!

 

You got exactly what you asked for, RESPONSES. I'm sorry you don't like them, but their consistency should give you your answer.

 

iPhone weather app?

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With the wind helping us down the taxiway, the Capt easily let the ATR get to 40.

"Easily to 40?" How on earth did you manage to clock the aircraft velocity on the taxiway?

[quoteLanding at SJT (remember the wind is out of the NW and gusty) the crew elected to use the shorter rwy 03 instead of the main rwy 36.
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Wait.... is it gusty in SJT or DFW? Both? We need more clarification.

Did you hear the tires screaming "ahhhhhhhh I hate it every time those darn guys land on us side loaded and fast. ahhhhhh"

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I waited for the crew to have a chat. I asked why they decided to land with a slight tailwind. The FO said it wasn't a tailwind. The crew clearly didn't want to discuss it but said the wind was 320/20. I asked why rwy 36 wasn't used. The Capt said there wasn't a rwy 36. I said it's the main rwy at SJT. He then said that rwy 36 was closed. I called the tower; they said the rwy was just fine. They hurried off to the waiting van.

Classy. BTW..... why didn't you just drop it if the tower said it was fine?

 

Ok, not to back him up or anything, because I think he was a completely idiot for doing what he did ... but enough ... let this thread die off ...

I think we've all ripped him a new one for what he did ... let's just let it go and move on

 

Seacrest out...

 

So really, are you going to the FAA with this? You just seem like the type.