Recent A/E experience
12-14-2008 | 08:10 PM
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The ATR is one of the most difficult aircraft to land in windy and gusty conditions. When it's windy out it is like flying a kite. No matter how great your crosswind technique is the chances are pretty good that the upwind wing and wheel is going to come back off the ground in those conditions. The fact is that if you land it at ref in high wind gusty conditions you're going to get up close and personal with the grass.
Bad call questioning the crews judgement when you have never flown the aircraft and weren't sitting the the jumpseat. Extremely poor taste after they gave you a FREE RIDE! Good thing it was my day off otherwise you would have gotten more of an earful than you have on this thread.
Bad call questioning the crews judgement when you have never flown the aircraft and weren't sitting the the jumpseat. Extremely poor taste after they gave you a FREE RIDE! Good thing it was my day off otherwise you would have gotten more of an earful than you have on this thread.
12-14-2008 | 08:33 PM
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They probably ran off to the van quickly so they could talk about the astronaut in the back that wanted to sweat an airline crew. Nothing like having a passenger question your flying skills when they are sitting in the back doing nothing the whole time.
12-14-2008 | 08:33 PM
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This "Apollo" guy had around 500 hours of flight time back in May according to one of his posts!!!
You had the guts to actually walk up to and question that Eagle Captain with that little time and almost no airline experience? You've gotta be kidding me! You're really lucky I wasn't the Captain on that flight! I'm sure you're one of those really special F.O.'s that Captains love to fly with. Next time, keep your mouth shut.
Rant over...
You had the guts to actually walk up to and question that Eagle Captain with that little time and almost no airline experience? You've gotta be kidding me! You're really lucky I wasn't the Captain on that flight! I'm sure you're one of those really special F.O.'s that Captains love to fly with. Next time, keep your mouth shut.
Rant over...
12-15-2008 | 06:18 AM
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I waited for the crew to have a chat. I asked why they decided to land with a slight tailwind. The FO said it wasn't a tailwind. The crew clearly didn't want to discuss it but said the wind was 320/20. I asked why rwy 36 wasn't used. The Capt said there wasn't a rwy 36. I said it's the main rwy at SJT. He then said that rwy 36 was closed. I called the tower; they said the rwy was just fine. They hurried off to the waiting van.
12-15-2008 | 06:44 AM
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The word is out on every ATR driver out of DFW. Good luck Jumpseating.
12-15-2008 | 07:18 AM
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ouch, this astronauts is actually a 121 pilot? Wow, how embarrassing. I'd expect those comments from a wanna-be but from an airline pilot and astronaut that is depressing how far this profession has fallen<sarcasm>.
That'll be funny when he tries to JS again on AE. Please come back and tell us how that goes! I'm sure it'll be just as entertaining as this story was, hahaha
That'll be funny when he tries to JS again on AE. Please come back and tell us how that goes! I'm sure it'll be just as entertaining as this story was, hahaha
12-15-2008 | 07:26 AM
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RWY 36 at SJT is 8,049'. I can almost promise you that they landed on 27, which isn't much shorter at 5,939'.
Let me tell you why we land on this one -- because it's a straight in approach to the runway from our flight path! We don't have to add 10 minutes to the flight. 27 is almost 6,000', which is not a short runway!!!! Who cares about what you consider to be the "MAIN" runway. Would you question your flight crew if they landed on RWY 13R at DFW instead of 18R? Technically speaking 18R is the "MAIN" or "primary" runway on the west side!
So who cares what runway they land on. Its an approved runway! Its plenty long! You landed safely!
If the wind was 320/20 then it was NOT a tailwind. We do get the most current weather right before we land you know.
If it was 320/20, then RWY 27 is a whole 50 degrees CWC, whereas your precious RWY 36 is a 40 degree CWC. Makes very little difference to the ATR in those conditions. It did not exceed our limitations in any stretch of the imagination.
Man this dude has got me steamed up. You aren't ever getting on one of my flights, so I hope for your sake you don't commute from SJT to work. Your information is making the rounds at AE with the ATR guys and I think you may have cut off your nose to spite your face. I hope Continental's schedule works better for you. We'll figure out who you were (we can get the info) and now you have a reputation! Ooops. See what being unprofessional gets you????
Let me tell you why we land on this one -- because it's a straight in approach to the runway from our flight path! We don't have to add 10 minutes to the flight. 27 is almost 6,000', which is not a short runway!!!! Who cares about what you consider to be the "MAIN" runway. Would you question your flight crew if they landed on RWY 13R at DFW instead of 18R? Technically speaking 18R is the "MAIN" or "primary" runway on the west side!
So who cares what runway they land on. Its an approved runway! Its plenty long! You landed safely!
If the wind was 320/20 then it was NOT a tailwind. We do get the most current weather right before we land you know.
If it was 320/20, then RWY 27 is a whole 50 degrees CWC, whereas your precious RWY 36 is a 40 degree CWC. Makes very little difference to the ATR in those conditions. It did not exceed our limitations in any stretch of the imagination.
Man this dude has got me steamed up. You aren't ever getting on one of my flights, so I hope for your sake you don't commute from SJT to work. Your information is making the rounds at AE with the ATR guys and I think you may have cut off your nose to spite your face. I hope Continental's schedule works better for you. We'll figure out who you were (we can get the info) and now you have a reputation! Ooops. See what being unprofessional gets you????
12-15-2008 | 07:30 AM
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From: A320 FO
RWY 36 at SJT is 8,049'. I can almost promise you that they landed on 27, which isn't much shorter at 5,939'.
Let me tell you why we land on this one -- because it's a straight in approach to the runway from our flight path! We don't have to add 10 minutes to the flight. 27 is almost 6,000', which is not a short runway!!!! Who cares about what you consider to be the "MAIN" runway. Would you question your flight crew if they landed on RWY 13R at DFW instead of 18R? Technically speaking 18R is the "MAIN" or "primary" runway on the west side!
So who cares what runway they land on. Its an approved runway! Its plenty long! You landed safely!
If the wind was 320/20 then it was NOT a tailwind. We do get the most current weather right before we land you know.
If it was 320/20, then RWY 27 is a whole 50 degrees CWC, whereas your precious RWY 36 is a 40 degree CWC. Makes very little difference to the ATR in those conditions. It did not exceed our limitations in any stretch of the imagination.
Man this dude has got me steamed up. You aren't ever getting on one of my flights, so I hope for your sake you don't commute from SJT to work. Your information is making the rounds at AE with the ATR guys and I think you may have cut off your nose to spite your face. I hope Continental's schedule works better for you. We'll figure out who you were (we can get the info) and now you have a reputation! Ooops. See what being unprofessional gets you????
Let me tell you why we land on this one -- because it's a straight in approach to the runway from our flight path! We don't have to add 10 minutes to the flight. 27 is almost 6,000', which is not a short runway!!!! Who cares about what you consider to be the "MAIN" runway. Would you question your flight crew if they landed on RWY 13R at DFW instead of 18R? Technically speaking 18R is the "MAIN" or "primary" runway on the west side!
So who cares what runway they land on. Its an approved runway! Its plenty long! You landed safely!
If the wind was 320/20 then it was NOT a tailwind. We do get the most current weather right before we land you know.
If it was 320/20, then RWY 27 is a whole 50 degrees CWC, whereas your precious RWY 36 is a 40 degree CWC. Makes very little difference to the ATR in those conditions. It did not exceed our limitations in any stretch of the imagination.
Man this dude has got me steamed up. You aren't ever getting on one of my flights, so I hope for your sake you don't commute from SJT to work. Your information is making the rounds at AE with the ATR guys and I think you may have cut off your nose to spite your face. I hope Continental's schedule works better for you. We'll figure out who you were (we can get the info) and now you have a reputation! Ooops. See what being unprofessional gets you????
12-15-2008 | 07:43 AM
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*sigh* Am I really gonna need to put "don't criticize the pilots' performance, especially when you're sitting in back and don't have the information" into our "Jumpseating for New Hires" manual?
Why don't I ever hear about these things happening "back in the day?" Did everyone get more stupid all of a sudden?
Why don't I ever hear about these things happening "back in the day?" Did everyone get more stupid all of a sudden?
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