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Pilotpip 01-21-2009 07:15 PM

If you guys don't think an open time ban helps your fellow pilots, I'm proof that it does. The only reason I got a call back is because most (and I said MOST, some pricks are still doing it) at RAH quit picking it up and scheduling is using reserves to cover it. I'd still be on the street if they had enough people accepting extra assignments.

ALPA coming out and saying "don't pick up open time" is an illegal job action under the RLA. They can't do it.

Bond 01-21-2009 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 542518)
Quit being a drama queen. You expanded my sentence into my attitude toward ALPA and ASA's plight? YGBSM.

The reason you'll never get an apology out of me is because you're trying to be a bully about it. If you can give me irrefutable proof that open time isn't being picked up, I'll consider it. But until then, I know for a fact that open time is still being picked up. Right now. As we speak. Can you prove to me otherwise?

Or do you expect me to just take your word for it?

Have your "friends" call scheduling and you'll see that the margin of time picked up vs traded is minimal. I said in my thread earlier that a few people are still picking up open time, you said we had a real problem, we don't!

So, while I realize that you don't care that most of us are avoiding open time for you, most of the 346 are grateful, and they don't come on here to slander their peers on hearsay.

This was your original comment:

Once we were on the street at XJT nobody seemed to care about any of this stuff.
If you don't think that's an accusation, and that it doesn't deserve an apology to everyone (not just me) that is fighting to get you back on property, then you got real issues.

joeshmoe11184 01-21-2009 07:28 PM

Yes, it is a sad fact that due to the economic down turn ASA has had to furlough for the first time in their history. Everybody knows that ASA was fat on pilots ranging between 100 to 300 since September of 2008 (loss of ATRs and reduction of flying). Management decides to hang onto these pilots instead of furloughing them at the drop of a hat trying to find new work for them. With the coming of the CRJ-900’s the management has been able to keep at least an extra 100 pilot employed (10 per plane) instead of furloughing 180 pilots which would have happen without these airplanes. A company is in business to make money for their stockholders period. Not to hand out charity work or to have pilots sit at home on reserves and pay them for doing nothing. ASA did their best to keep everyone around. They obviously tried because they did not furlough right away back in September. ASA is trying to stay competitive so we all can keep our jobs and not end up on the streets. Do you really think they get their jollies furloughing pilots? So trying to stick it to management by not picking open time is not the correct answer. Hopefully sometime soon things will turn and we can put everyone back to work, not just at ASA.

JetPipeOverht 01-21-2009 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 542520)
If you guys don't think an open time ban helps your fellow pilots, I'm proof that it does. The only reason I got a call back is because most (and I said MOST, some pricks are still doing it) at RAH quit picking it up and scheduling is using reserves to cover it. I'd still be on the street if they had enough people accepting extra assignments.

ALPA coming out and saying "don't pick up open time" is an illegal job action under the RLA. They can't do it.


Thank you sir...

JetPipeOverht 01-21-2009 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by joeshmoe11184 (Post 542537)
Yes, it is a sad fact that due to the economic down turn ASA has had to furlough for the first time in their history. Everybody knows that ASA was fat on pilots ranging between 100 to 300 since September of 2008 (loss of ATRs and reduction of flying). Management decides to hang onto these pilots instead of furloughing them at the drop of a hat trying to find new work for them. With the coming of the CRJ-900’s the management has been able to keep at least an extra 100 pilot employed (10 per plane) instead of furloughing 180 pilots which would have happen without these airplanes. A company is in business to make money for their stockholders period. Not to hand out charity work or to have pilots sit at home on reserves and pay them for doing nothing. ASA did their best to keep everyone around. They obviously tried because they did not furlough right away back in September. ASA is trying to stay competitive so we all can keep our jobs and not end up on the streets. Do you really think they get their jollies furloughing pilots? So trying to stick it to management by not picking open time is not the correct answer. Hopefully sometime soon things will turn and we can put everyone back to work, not just at ASA.

I'm sorry, but I can only assume since this is your first post that you're either A: Not a pilot B: Management somewhere ? or 3: At some other airline

resetjet 01-21-2009 08:01 PM

I'm at a loss as to why the bloated lines for Feb have not been mentioned yet!

JetPipeOverht 01-21-2009 08:28 PM

Another fine reason why no one should be searching for extra time

Positive_Rate 01-21-2009 08:46 PM

People are still picking up open time here at TSA. The company and the union both know who the offenders are, too. The company has provided a list of those that pick up open time and volunteer to waive their contract during transition. Esp. important when you're negiotiating a new contract, however, picking up open time when some of your guys are on the street is just wrong. You're reinforcing to management that they don't need those 80 guys, that the rest of the group will pick up the slack. Don't pick it up!

flyinaway411 01-21-2009 09:00 PM

where might one find this list for tsa pilots?

cessnamann 01-21-2009 10:22 PM

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