Because of RAH, Midwest WILL be out of business soon. It is death by a thousand cuts. The tried and true customer base of Midwest sees the difference and they don't like it!

 

Please,

After defending Bedford like that you're either a faithful follower, or you're another g/a pilot who thinks they know anything about our environment.

Again, you answered a question with a question, so where is your proof, would you like me to quote your post again? Where's your proof? Here's your quote:

My proof is that even though they were bleeding cash at the time of the deal, the airline was still operational. Management could have easily pursued other options, leasing the aircraft and having the pilots flying them from the beginning, among others.

Did you go to the picketing in MKE? Where you there to support your brothers and sisters after what Lorenzo's step child did to their company? What kind of support are you actively extending to Midwest guys? How about you put your money where your mouth is.

Johney Cochran was the lawyer that got that loser O.J. off a double capital murder case on the basis of reasonable doubt...the name fits the profile.

 

This is, by far, one of the most idiotic statements that I have read on this board.

So, instead of 300 pilots on the street, lets make is 301 (or more) by having the RAH pilot refuse to fly. I personally need the job (income), so I will continue to fly. Do I like the situation that the company put me in? No. But I don't have a choice in the matter. If you haven't heard, the economy is in really bad shape. Anyone that has a job needs to work hard to keep that job.

And for those of you that say that we are creating an environment that is not conducive to moving up to a major, get real! Wherever anyone is right now, you better get used to it. Its no longer an environment of 2 years at a regional and then moving along. I need to make sure that my place of employment has a contract that is reasonable and provides for retirement. That is how I am taking care of my brothers and sisters. I personally have over 8,000 hours of flight time and that isn't competitive in today's market.

Moving to a major right now is almost career suicide and I will explain why (and hopefully this provides insight as to how I function at my present company).

If I get hired by a major in the next 2 or 3 years, I will be 40 years old. Back to making less than 1/2 of what I am making right now. If times are really good, then I might only be on reserve for 4 or 5 years. 2 years after I am hired, I am back to making my present salary. But my quality of life is significantly decreased. So I wait, watch my quality of life improve and finally upgrade to Captain on a 100+ seat jet. I'm now 50-55 years old. My quality of life goes back to the pits being a reserve Captain. When I finally get a good quality of life, I most likely have less than 5 years before mandatory retirement.

Regional pay: $70,000/yr for 27 years = $2,106,000.

Mainline pay: FO at $30,000 for 1 year, then FO at $70,000 for another 9 years. Captain at $120,000 for 15 years = $1,800,000. Total = $2,460,000.

Difference is $354,000.

If it costs me $354,000 to be able to see my daughter, do school functions with her, etc - well, that is a price that I am willing to pay.

I am just guessing on the numbers, but I think that you can see what I am getting at.

 

Actually, you RAH'ers that think Bedford, and you, did something benevolent is beyond reprehensible.

Midwest was NOT going to go out of business because of the labor contract. It was simply the BEST time to re-invent the "labor situation".

Of course YOU think so, you're the one cashing the check. Enjoy the time you have with your family knowing that others have been kicked to the curb because of your "economically agreeable attitude".

Let's revisit this "idiotic" statement when you get sent packing under similar circumstances.

Making a statement like I did is so far removed from idiotic to those outside of RAH that it really scares me in regard to what you WOULDN'T do to feel better about yourself and RAH's position in the industry.

While caring for your family is understandable, you are the real idiot not to see how destructable Bedfords actions are for the masses.

 

A person could fault RAH pilots for flying Midwest mainline routes. It’s not like Midwest pilot group gave that flying up. If I was a pilot for RAH I would do everything possible not to work. Call out sick, fatigue, switch base, or even quite before directly putting a higher paying Midwest pilot out of work.

The other side of that coin it is Midwest pilots and ALPA who are at fault for not have a strong scope. CAL and AA appear to have scope protected.

What group is really at fault??? Management!

 

Ignorance is bliss and it's heaven around here.

 

well at least if MESA goes under we'll have a new JO to hate (bedford)

 

You mean at RAH, yeah it shows, from some of your co-workers posts, there's definitely nirvana happening over there.

 

Honestly folks, nearly each and every one of you needs to zip your childish lips. I've had it. If you are a regional pilot *****ing right now - shut up. If you are a CFI or airline pilot wannabe - shut up. This has to be one of the most retarded threads I have seen in a long time, and as you can see, I don't respond to many threads.

REGIONAL FOLKS - TELL ME WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOUR COMPANY WAS FLYING 70 SEATERS FOR MIDWEST. AFTER THAT, TELL ME AND THE WORLD HOW YOU INDIVIDUALLY WOULD HAVE KEPT IT FROM HAPPENING SO THAT WE ALL KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE FUTURE A BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL PLACE WHERE THE SUN ALWAYS SHINES, AND UNICORNS GRAZE IN GREEN PASTURES.

ONLY RESPOND IF YOU HAVE A LOGICAL ANSWER THAT IS BELIEVABLE AND YOU COULD BE HELD TO IT. (I can't wait for the smart remarks, which will be ignored).

CFI AND AIRLINE PILOT WANNABES WHO LOVE TO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING - I'LL BE HONEST, YOU'RE OPINION REALLY DOESN'T MEAN MUCH TO ME. (I APOLOGIZE, BUT BEING HONEST).

What's funny, as mentioned by a couple folks previously who were overlooked, is that it's the little people (regional guys) that are the ones bickering here, and it's stupid (and I fly for Chautauqua and the military). Don't you guys have anything else to do in this life? Do you show up at home after a trip, throw down a few and jump on the computer to spread your lame opinions and gossip?

Normally you guys are entertaining, but having done most jobs in the airline industry over 13 years for multiple companies and the government, I'm simply tired of your petty BS on this topic.

Rant over.

 

Nirvana' until a few years from now when another airline is brought in by bedford to take over their flying, and they're posting on this very forum how wrong and evil that group is