Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 548178)

Is the 18-month regional upgrade just a 2002-2007 phenomenon?

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 548178)

Looking at those rates, all but one of the FO lists top out at 3 or 4 years. How'd those guys survive so long on so little?

Maybe no student loans...

Was it Pan Am Express, or most regionals back in 89? Is the 18-month regional upgrade just a 2002-2007 phenomenon?

Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 548538)

Pan Am Express as an entity didn't have much of a lifespan. It came from Ransome Airlines (IIRC) one of the pioneer commuter airlines. To make their payscale eqivilent to today, you would have to almost double it.

Originally Posted by APM145 (Post 548620)

Should also mention that PanAm express also pioneered one of the first single seniority list agreements with a mainline partner. Those pilots did some great things. The pay I posted earlier was adjusted for inflation, The actual rates were lower, but in todays world (2008) those would be the rates. Its important to not ethat those rates are for small 19-37 seat prop airplaines. The CRJ200/ERJ145/E170 type aircraft were flown at mainline carriers as the Bac111, BaE146, F100, DC9-15, etc.... for double to almost tripple what they pay now for the same size or bigger. And this is in the POST deregulation time frame.

Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 548682)

Wasn't Pan Am Express flying mostly DHC-7s ?

Originally Posted by clipperskipper (Post 854533)

I was hired in August, 1988 following the interview process in MIA at PanAm. At that time they had asked me if I would fly their Express aircraft as the flow through agreement was signed, and the original 143 Ransome pilots were to go over to PanAm at the rate of three per month.

The fleet at that time was comprised of Dash 7 aircraft based in PVD, and PNE. ATR 42's were based at Berlin Tiegel airport, an operation that for several reasons was closed, and those aircraft moved to PNE as well. A BAE-3100 operation was also started out of MIA. We later added a couple of ex-RIO Airways, and RMA Dash 7's to the fleet.

Pioneering we did with greats such as Drew Bedson and others in the training department. We had the first Rnav approaches, STOL approaches with LAHSO operations, and later Cat II operations in the Dash 7, which sometimes was the only way out of a gate hold for BOS. We also had the first two Universal Lorans with our very own published approaches.

Times were good and in nine months I was sitting in the left seat, that's how quickly things were moving. PanAm Express had their own version of the "B" scale, where the Ransome guys were making $48,000, I came in at $37,000, ludicrous by today's standards.

By December, 1991 PanAm was selling everything including Express to TWA and on December 4 found ourselves at the TWA ramp in JFK, you know the one with that 70's looking terminal, and the famous "Fallopian Tube" that they re-carpeted for the movie "Catch Me If you can" that connects the two terminals. Delta wanted nothing to do with the operation, they wanted the A-310 North Atlantic operation for the routes, and quickly dumped the busses to some country that can't speak no good english. The pilots that did score were those on the 310, instant Delta seniority number!

The TWA operation was weird, I mean what a bunch of hayseeds these people were, and their res system and software was horrible, we were even writing tare sheets manually at most of the stations as these people did nothing to help you.

When they closed PVD they opened up DCA, no biggy to commute to DCA from BOS. When they closed DCA I bailed, the operation short lived after that as there was NFW I was going to PNE.

Originally Posted by flyvne1971 (Post 547292)

Thanks! Do you have the non-adjusted rates by any chance? Or better yet, a source?

Originally Posted by clipperskipper (Post 854533)

I was hired in August, 1988 . . . PanAm Express had their own version of the "B" scale, where the Ransome guys were making $48,000, I came in at $37,000, ludicrous by today's standards.

Originally Posted by clipperskipper (Post 887188)

I left the Dash-7 left seat making $48/hr.