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ExperimentalAB 02-03-2009 12:46 PM

CRJ1000 Sighting in ICT...
 
Buzzing around ICT today was the CRJ1000NG...We got a few good looks at it as they were taxiing around with that plethora of probes and what-not indicative of flight-testing. Why is ICT so popular for flight-tests, by the way?

Anyway...it didn't look much larger than a -900, and it was pretty damn sharp, but I saw the rest of my career sitting in that glorified RJ :eek: I'm in the wrong business! Each and every day, island-hopping or bush-flying looks more and more appealing...

rickair7777 02-03-2009 12:47 PM

I don't know of too many majors whose scope would allow that thing at a regional. Hopefully it stays that way.

ExperimentalAB 02-03-2009 12:51 PM

Yet...ugh. Let's hope we've all learned that lesson by now! Wasn't there a large order placed for it overseas not too long ago? Actually, I don't really see that thing flying under an N-number for quite some time. Oh, and happened to have a GoJet Pilot NRSA on-board. Guess he knows better than to ask for the Jumpseat ;)

yb23 02-03-2009 01:08 PM

I believe Bombardier/Lear have a base there and flat Kansas would be a good place to test airplanes, would it not?

cgtpilot 02-03-2009 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 551409)
I don't know of too many majors whose scope would allow that thing at a regional. Hopefully it stays that way.

Amen brother preach it!


Originally Posted by yb23 (Post 551437)
I believe Bombardier/Lear have a base there and flat Kansas would be a good place to test airplanes, would it not?

Not to mention the wind for some xwind action.

ksuav8r 02-03-2009 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by yb23 (Post 551437)
I believe Bombardier/Lear have a base there and flat Kansas would be a good place to test airplanes, would it not?

They do have a plant in Wichita, but I believe they only make their Lear business jets there.

elfouquer 02-03-2009 01:55 PM

I'm a local in the Wichita area. It's true that they only produce learjets there, but they do flight testing of all Bombardier products, to include CRJ, Lear, and Challengers.

BURflyer 02-03-2009 05:02 PM

Could be good for a start up.. gas is cheap.

ExperimentalAB 02-03-2009 05:27 PM

Yeah those crosswinds are wicked...Here I am today, thinking that I'll start my base to final turn to 1R just a little early with the winds out of the NE, and they damn near change direction in the matter of a few hundred feet...so what was supposed to be a smooth, squared-transition to short-final was really nothing more than an awkward dog-leg semi-final haha. Always a suprise with the winds down there -- and it sounded like they were testing for tailwind takeoffs, blasting off 19L. How do I get that job?! LoL

Roper92 02-03-2009 05:51 PM

What is US Airways' seat scope limit? They could get those things (Mesa would fly them) and throw a few rows of first class seats in order to meet the scope requirements. Isn't that what Delta did with the CRJ-900? Lets hope I am terribly wrong!

Colnago 02-03-2009 06:04 PM

LOL, AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaand this thread is now officially a Mesa thread.

HSLD 02-03-2009 06:08 PM

That's one long RJ

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rightseatrider 02-03-2009 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 551656)
What is US Airways' seat scope limit? They could get those things (Mesa would fly them) and throw a few rows of first class seats in order to meet the scope requirements. Isn't that what Delta did with the CRJ-900? Lets hope I am terribly wrong!

No first class allowed on Express carriers at US so no worries.

ExperimentalAB 02-03-2009 06:21 PM

It looks bigger in that picture!! More noticeable than the stretched forward fuselage is the rear, with the absence of a few portholes there...And the registration's the same number we saw, so there's no mistaking it...So I guess in this now global-economy, I suppose trans-con can almost be called "Regional," eh?!

FL450 02-03-2009 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 551644)
Yeah those crosswinds are wicked...Here I am today, thinking that I'll start my base to final turn to 1R just a little early with the winds out of the NE, and they damn near change direction in the matter of a few hundred feet...so what was supposed to be a smooth, squared-transition to short-final was really nothing more than an awkward dog-leg semi-final haha. Always a suprise with the winds down there -- and it sounded like they were testing for tailwind takeoffs, blasting off 19L. How do I get that job?! LoL


Lear and bombardier does do all their flight testing here and the cosswinds here aren't that bad. Bombardier has a position on their website or at least they did for Senior test pilot. I think all you needed was a type rating in at least one of their products which obviously you should qualify. Also check out Hawker Beech Craft they do a lot of testing as well out of ICT and beech field.

Best of luck

FL450

CANAM 02-03-2009 06:42 PM

I remember seeing a CRJ700 back in 2000 and wondering the same questions.

jaded 02-03-2009 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 551626)
Could be good for a start up.. gas is cheap.

Like an alter ego start up?

propsync 02-03-2009 08:45 PM

And Boeing didn't think there was a market for the 717.

andy171773 02-03-2009 09:03 PM

the 1000 looks so stupid

how much longer is Bombardier going to stretch this freaking airplane?

dojetdriver 02-03-2009 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 551662)
That's one long RJ

A DC9 is a long RJ too.

Roper92 02-04-2009 06:21 AM

Does anyone know the range of this new CRJ-1000? I looked on the Bombardier website but the range maps only showed the range for the -700 and (I love it when people call it this:) the -9.

The DC-9 is a long RJ too yes, however, it's a little beefier with stronger engines and MUCH MUCH MUCH higher paid pilots up front.

But you already know that :)

ebl14 02-04-2009 07:34 PM

The CRJ-900 looks stupid as it is, this thing is getting to be re*******diclous. What a goofy looking plane, I bet the guys at mainline will refuse to fly it leaving it to the regionals to scalp what is left of this industry. You heard it here first.

Jayhawk 023 02-04-2009 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by FL450 (Post 551675)
Lear and bombardier does do all their flight testing here and the cosswinds here aren't that bad. Bombardier has a position on their website or at least they did for Senior test pilot. I think all you needed was a type rating in at least one of their products which obviously you should qualify. Also check out Hawker Beech Craft they do a lot of testing as well out of ICT and beech field.

Best of luck

FL450

Hi everyone,

I am originally from Wichita and in regards to the orginal quesiton....when Bombardier purchased the LearJet manufacturing facility in 1990 they also started at flight-test facility there too. It exists for the entire Bombardier Aerospace product line. Over the years I have seen all of the CRJ series, Q400, 415 fire-bomber, Challenger 300, etc, out flying around Wichita. Now that I think about it, I remember being home from college on the summer day in 1993 when one of the original CRJ test aircraft went down west of town, unfortunately taking several lives. Anyway, it is/was the third largest civilian flight test center in the world (after Boeing and Airbus).

In regards to the other manufactures in the area...Hawker Beech and Cessna also have their production flight-test centers at BEC and ICT, respectively. However both manufactures have recently announced significant layoffs. I would be very surprised if either will be hiring any pilots for a long time. Of course those jobs require that you live in Wichita...easy for Kansans but perhaps not for the west coast folks!

FL450 02-04-2009 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 551906)
Does anyone know the range of this new CRJ-1000? I looked on the Bombardier website but the range maps only showed the range for the -700 and (I love it when people call it this:) the -9.

The DC-9 is a long RJ too yes, however, it's a little beefier with stronger engines and MUCH MUCH MUCH higher paid pilots up front.

But you already know that :)

1,610 nautical miles

The CRJ 700 still has the best range out of all the RJ series

Justdoinmyjob 02-05-2009 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 552431)
I bet the guys at mainline will refuse to fly it leaving it to the regionals to scalp what is left of this industry. You heard it here first.

That is a bet you will most certainly lose.

RedBaron007 02-05-2009 10:12 PM

The -900 and -1000 can only be compared to a DC-9 in the number of seats each has. There's little else that can be compared, whether it's comfort, headroom, shoulder room, and cargo room, not to mention others. I find the -700 seats incredibly uncomfortable by the time I arrive in ABE from CLT. I can't even fathom how much my a$$ would hurt flying from CLT to DEN.

PiperPower 02-08-2009 04:38 AM

Gfk
 
I landed right behind the CRJ1000 in GFK today. Not sure why it's up here but it is, and wow is it big. It truly does look huge... doesn't seem right. We heard it on GFK approach and they were referring to it as a CRJ900. I thought it was a Mesaba diversion until we rolled past it when we touched down. Loooooooooong.

BoilerUP 02-08-2009 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by benXJ9er (Post 554125)
Listen buddy. I have taken personal offense to this post. The 900 seats are actually very comfortable. even a huge man can stand in the airplane comfortably. And I ask... have ever even sat in a DC-9? The seats are just as horrible. The 9 is the new end of the line airplane. Get used to it. You're just grumpy because us 9 drivers took your flying.

Weak the flame, in your post is.

undflyboy06 02-08-2009 05:16 AM

Tell you one thing, any longer and it will look like the plane is taking steroids.....I mean the engines look like raisinets compared to the body.

johnso29 02-08-2009 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by benXJ9er (Post 554125)
Listen buddy. I have taken personal offense to this post. The 900 seats are actually very comfortable. even a huge man can stand in the airplane comfortably. And I ask... have ever even sat in a DC-9? The seats are just as horrible. The 9 is the new end of the line airplane. Get used to it. You're just grumpy because us 9 drivers took your flying.



FLAMEBAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avroman 02-08-2009 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by undflyboy06 (Post 554424)
Tell you one thing, any longer and it will look like the plane is taking steroids.....I mean the engines look like raisinets compared to the body.

Any longer and the thing will split in half upon landing....

N850CA 02-08-2009 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 551783)
A DC9 is a long RJ too.

Wrong... the DC 9 has a slide at the front and rear doors, unlike the CRJ line that has the door sills at 5 feet to avoid having to install a slide. Hence the rackish look to all the CRJ family

ExperimentalAB 02-08-2009 02:37 PM

The DC-9 is also not RJ-material due to it's full-size overhead and personal space. Don't confuse the two!!

johnso29 02-08-2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 551783)
A DC9 is a long RJ too.

The DC9s at NWA hold 100/110/125 pax. All DC9s have a 4 across 1st class section, and a 5 across Coach section. The cabin is much taller and wider.

So, how is a DC9 a long RJ?:confused::confused:

ExperimentalAB 02-08-2009 02:42 PM

I guarantee you the RJ's flying around today won't be around as long as a classic -9 either. They don't make 'em like they used to...

johnso29 02-08-2009 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 554645)
I guarantee you the RJ's flying around today won't be around as long as a classic -9 either. They don't make 'em like they used to...


That's for sure. It's hard to hurt the DC9.;)

NoJoy 02-08-2009 02:56 PM

From the pics the engines look WAY to small for the body. At least put some Global Express size engines on. :(

texaspilot76 02-09-2009 07:44 AM

Seating capacity for an all coach CRJ-1000?

TonyWilliams 02-09-2009 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 555047)
Seating capacity for an all coach CRJ-1000?

It can be 104

texaspilot76 02-09-2009 08:12 AM

Where would the third flight attendant jumpseat be located?


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