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02-18-2009 | 05:38 PM
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Wasn't there some issues in CVG about intercepting the glide slope and riding it all the way down? I believe the glideslope isn't the same as some of the step downs altitudes.
This was causing traffic conflicts with the parallel runways? I can't remember the details exactly...
This was causing traffic conflicts with the parallel runways? I can't remember the details exactly...
02-18-2009 | 05:40 PM
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Wasn't there some issues in CVG about intercepting the glide slope and riding it all the way down? I believe the glideslope isn't the same as some of the step downs altitudes.
This was causing traffic conflicts with the parallel runways? I can't remember the details exactly...
This was causing traffic conflicts with the parallel runways? I can't remember the details exactly...
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02-18-2009 | 06:17 PM
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and that is why a lot of people think of timing on an ILS, a lot of us had it pounded during inst rating to always run the time, so if you lose GS your still ok,( works in the cessna) however like you said not allowed in this 121 world. I too would go missed and come back for the loc approach after briefing it, however, i still occasionally when doing NFP duties and building an approach, sometimes find myself dialing in the countdown clock, old habit...lol
02-18-2009 | 07:09 PM
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I have to disagree to the timing. You do not fly an ILS to a time reference. Nor would starting the time at GS intercept work as this is typically prior to the LOC only FAF. If I am inside the FAF for an ILS and I lose GS, I am executing a missed approach. I was not cleared for the LOC approach. I did not brief a LOC approach. I will miss the approach, confer with ATC, and either return for the LOC only approach, an entirely different approach, or I will divert to my alternate. Of course if I were in an emergency situation, all bets are off and I might well consider a loc only approach. As for time, I call for time to start over the outer marker or FAF, not at GS intercept
02-18-2009 | 07:51 PM
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Don't you always anticipate a worst case scenario? What are the odds of losing the most critical engine exactly at V1 but how many times do you still do it in the sim? The point is to plan for worst case despite the odds. Regardless of 121 vs. 61. ga vs. airlines...setting the timer is just one more option...its not like it takes alot of effort/resources. Going missed is the obvious decision upon losing glide slope on an ILS but if im in a gs/inop worst case scenario type of situation, im gonna continue on the loc...its just one more option until i run out. as marge schott used to say... "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em"
02-18-2009 | 08:21 PM
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Don't you always anticipate a worst case scenario? What are the odds of losing the most critical engine exactly at V1 but how many times do you still do it in the sim? The point is to plan for worst case despite the odds. Regardless of 121 vs. 61. ga vs. airlines...setting the timer is just one more option...its not like it takes alot of effort/resources. Going missed is the obvious decision upon losing glide slope on an ILS but if im in a gs/inop worst case scenario type of situation, im gonna continue on the loc...its just one more option until i run out. as marge schott used to say... "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em"
02-18-2009 | 08:24 PM
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02-18-2009 | 10:28 PM
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also, out of radar coverage, with no dme or other map on the localizer part of the chart, if you do lose the glideslope halfway down, you won't know where you are if you don't have a timer going. you might not want to turn too early on the missed approach!
i also wanted to point out: one of your pilots is wrong.
i also wanted to point out: one of your pilots is wrong.
02-19-2009 | 08:58 AM
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I could swear I was taught "cleared for the ILS" entails shooting the ILS or LOC approach. If shooting an ILS in IMC my brief normally includes "backup timing if we need to transition to the LOC is xxx." I don't recall ever specifically asking for the LOC only approach.
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