Be Careful What You Say...
02-19-2009 | 04:18 PM
#21
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I am only here to lurk…I am not a pilot, nor do I have aspirations to be one (though it is a damn interesting living)…I am not a lawyer or w/any news agency…just a guy who used to live in Buffalo and is trying to learn all I can about what happened that night from people that have the experience and understanding of the circumstances…i.e., you, pilots (well maybe not ‘the’ circumstances from that night, we are all waiting on those).
I cannot get the info that I get here from a newspaper, CNN, etc., anywhere else…nor can I get some of the very interesting stories I’ve read in my brief time lurking here (thanks for the laughs…and gasps).
This one really hit home for me, like no other incident before; I have flown on the Q400 from Newark to Buffalo, in conditions just like that night, more times than I can count...possibly on that particular aircraft (though it has been about 3 yrs since I made that trip). One thing that has stuck with me is how large, quiet, yet comfortable that plane is for a prop aircraft. It is a great piece of equip for the people sitting in the back…but I digress.
I, for one, appreciate the respectful discussion of the incident and have learned a great deal here that I cannot get from the ridiculous animations and ten second sound bites on CNN/elsewhere (if they still happen to be talking about this and not some other story -dujour), nor can I go anywhere for factual interpretation of the data that has been released.
So I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying thank you. I certainly am enjoying what I can take away from your discussion(s) and already have a different outlook, and greater respect, for what goes on up front.
I have nothing else to add to this forum or discussion and will gladly go back to my corner and be quiet
, but wanted y’all to be aware that there are some civilians among you whom do sincerely appreciate the discussion, so long as it is conducted in the most respectful way possible (which it has been). Truly there is a great deal of professionalism and insight here, and I thank you for that.
Cheers and take care,
-Chris
I cannot get the info that I get here from a newspaper, CNN, etc., anywhere else…nor can I get some of the very interesting stories I’ve read in my brief time lurking here (thanks for the laughs…and gasps).
This one really hit home for me, like no other incident before; I have flown on the Q400 from Newark to Buffalo, in conditions just like that night, more times than I can count...possibly on that particular aircraft (though it has been about 3 yrs since I made that trip). One thing that has stuck with me is how large, quiet, yet comfortable that plane is for a prop aircraft. It is a great piece of equip for the people sitting in the back…but I digress.
I, for one, appreciate the respectful discussion of the incident and have learned a great deal here that I cannot get from the ridiculous animations and ten second sound bites on CNN/elsewhere (if they still happen to be talking about this and not some other story -dujour), nor can I go anywhere for factual interpretation of the data that has been released.
So I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying thank you. I certainly am enjoying what I can take away from your discussion(s) and already have a different outlook, and greater respect, for what goes on up front.
I have nothing else to add to this forum or discussion and will gladly go back to my corner and be quiet
, but wanted y’all to be aware that there are some civilians among you whom do sincerely appreciate the discussion, so long as it is conducted in the most respectful way possible (which it has been). Truly there is a great deal of professionalism and insight here, and I thank you for that.Cheers and take care,
-Chris
Didn't know XJT flew ATRs 3 years ago ... or are you not talking about ExpressJet? That's just the way I've always seen their name abbreviated
02-19-2009 | 04:37 PM
#22
Tuk er jerbs!
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02-19-2009 | 04:52 PM
#23
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02-19-2009 | 06:22 PM
#25
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From: Burrito Bomber
I am only here to lurk…I am not a pilot, nor do I have aspirations to be one (though it is a damn interesting living)…I am not a lawyer or w/any news agency…just a guy who used to live in Buffalo and is trying to learn all I can about what happened that night from people that have the experience and understanding of the circumstances…i.e., you, pilots (well maybe not ‘the’ circumstances from that night, we are all waiting on those).
I cannot get the info that I get here from a newspaper, CNN, etc., anywhere else…nor can I get some of the very interesting stories I’ve read in my brief time lurking here (thanks for the laughs…and gasps).
This one really hit home for me, like no other incident before; I have flown on the Q400 from Newark to Buffalo, in conditions just like that night, more times than I can count...possibly on that particular aircraft (though it has been about 3 yrs since I made that trip). One thing that has stuck with me is how large, quiet, yet comfortable that plane is for a prop aircraft. It is a great piece of equip for the people sitting in the back…but I digress.
I, for one, appreciate the respectful discussion of the incident and have learned a great deal here that I cannot get from the ridiculous animations and ten second sound bites on CNN/elsewhere (if they still happen to be talking about this and not some other story -dujour), nor can I go anywhere for factual interpretation of the data that has been released.
So I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying thank you. I certainly am enjoying what I can take away from your discussion(s) and already have a different outlook, and greater respect, for what goes on up front.
I have nothing else to add to this forum or discussion and will gladly go back to my corner and be quiet, but wanted y’all to be aware that there are some civilians among you whom do sincerely appreciate the discussion, so long as it is conducted in the most respectful way possible (which it has been). Truly there is a great deal of professionalism and insight here, and I thank you for that.
Cheers and take care,
-Chris
I cannot get the info that I get here from a newspaper, CNN, etc., anywhere else…nor can I get some of the very interesting stories I’ve read in my brief time lurking here (thanks for the laughs…and gasps).
This one really hit home for me, like no other incident before; I have flown on the Q400 from Newark to Buffalo, in conditions just like that night, more times than I can count...possibly on that particular aircraft (though it has been about 3 yrs since I made that trip). One thing that has stuck with me is how large, quiet, yet comfortable that plane is for a prop aircraft. It is a great piece of equip for the people sitting in the back…but I digress.
I, for one, appreciate the respectful discussion of the incident and have learned a great deal here that I cannot get from the ridiculous animations and ten second sound bites on CNN/elsewhere (if they still happen to be talking about this and not some other story -dujour), nor can I go anywhere for factual interpretation of the data that has been released.
So I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying thank you. I certainly am enjoying what I can take away from your discussion(s) and already have a different outlook, and greater respect, for what goes on up front.
I have nothing else to add to this forum or discussion and will gladly go back to my corner and be quiet
, but wanted y’all to be aware that there are some civilians among you whom do sincerely appreciate the discussion, so long as it is conducted in the most respectful way possible (which it has been). Truly there is a great deal of professionalism and insight here, and I thank you for that.Cheers and take care,
-Chris
Stay Classy San Diego
02-19-2009 | 06:25 PM
#26
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From: Furloughed Righ Seater
stop dissing the guy for not getting his equp type right, he's not a pilot and I wouldnt expect him to know what t-prop he flew into BUF 3 years ago.
Just take the thank you post for what its worth, a thank you (and a point-in-case that we're not alone here...)
Just take the thank you post for what its worth, a thank you (and a point-in-case that we're not alone here...)
02-19-2009 | 06:27 PM
#27
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Perhaps it wasn't a Q or Bombardier on that leg (well y’all would know better than I, so apparently it wasn’t lol), but I’ve flown into Buffalo/Niagara so many times, from so many different cities, I could certainly be mistaken. The Newark/Buffalo trip is one that I did make more than few times and I’m 99% sure that it was most often on a prop aircraft, not a jet. Then again, I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast most days.
However I am 100% sure I have definitely been aboard a Q…specifically because the Bombardier name caught my eye on some paperwork in the seat pouch (in college I interned for a Bombardier supplier) and I remember the “ ‘Q’ is for quiet designation” somewhere as well, and thinking “hmmm, now that I think about it, this plane is quiet for having props”.
Also the plane seemed rather unique to me in its size/configuration (been flying for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve been on a larger prop plane)…oh, and new. I remember that well too…thinking about how nice it was compared to some of the other beer-fart saturated, greasy headrested, mystery carpet-stained, 30-something yr old aircraft out there…next time you’re walking down the aisle check that out – when the sun hits the seats just right you can see all the nasty head grease…that’s why I always wear a hat if I can. Think of the couch scene in the movie ‘Coming to America’ lol (hope someone gets the reference), but I digress yet again.
I am also very familiar with approach to Buffalo on those hazy/drizzly/foggy/wet snow low ceiling nights…would often be a bit startled to see how close we were to the ground when we finally broke through the clouds. I can vividly imagine the conditions that night for the passengers and crew, as I imagine anyone can who has flown in/out of Buffalo with any regular frequency. There are too many nights like that up there…one reason why I live in Vegas now.
So regardless of when/where I was on a Q (or another Bombardier), my point is that the discussions of the incident here are helpful, especially to the laymen, because there is a void of good information in the media (as you have all discussed). COuple that with lots of TV 'experts' and misinformation and it's agitating for 'those in the know'. I feel your pain - I’m in the automotive industry so you can imagine my disgust with the recent discussion regarding *ahem* ‘bailouts’ for the big 3.
So to that end, again thanks, I appreciate the insight and perspective…and I’m probably not alone. Though I do agree to be mindful that there’s prob a few lurkers here with other intentions. Remember to treat anything you post on the interwebs like an email!
Take care
-Cheers
PS - I understand the suspicion in light of recent posts (I've read them myself) no worries. Again my point is to let you know not all of us lurkers are malcontents. *flamesuit on*
However I am 100% sure I have definitely been aboard a Q…specifically because the Bombardier name caught my eye on some paperwork in the seat pouch (in college I interned for a Bombardier supplier) and I remember the “ ‘Q’ is for quiet designation” somewhere as well, and thinking “hmmm, now that I think about it, this plane is quiet for having props”.
Also the plane seemed rather unique to me in its size/configuration (been flying for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve been on a larger prop plane)…oh, and new. I remember that well too…thinking about how nice it was compared to some of the other beer-fart saturated, greasy headrested, mystery carpet-stained, 30-something yr old aircraft out there…next time you’re walking down the aisle check that out – when the sun hits the seats just right you can see all the nasty head grease…that’s why I always wear a hat if I can. Think of the couch scene in the movie ‘Coming to America’ lol (hope someone gets the reference), but I digress yet again.
I am also very familiar with approach to Buffalo on those hazy/drizzly/foggy/wet snow low ceiling nights…would often be a bit startled to see how close we were to the ground when we finally broke through the clouds. I can vividly imagine the conditions that night for the passengers and crew, as I imagine anyone can who has flown in/out of Buffalo with any regular frequency. There are too many nights like that up there…one reason why I live in Vegas now.
So regardless of when/where I was on a Q (or another Bombardier), my point is that the discussions of the incident here are helpful, especially to the laymen, because there is a void of good information in the media (as you have all discussed). COuple that with lots of TV 'experts' and misinformation and it's agitating for 'those in the know'. I feel your pain - I’m in the automotive industry so you can imagine my disgust with the recent discussion regarding *ahem* ‘bailouts’ for the big 3.
So to that end, again thanks, I appreciate the insight and perspective…and I’m probably not alone. Though I do agree to be mindful that there’s prob a few lurkers here with other intentions. Remember to treat anything you post on the interwebs like an email!
Take care
-Cheers
PS - I understand the suspicion in light of recent posts (I've read them myself) no worries. Again my point is to let you know not all of us lurkers are malcontents. *flamesuit on*
02-19-2009 | 06:33 PM
#28
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From: Burrito Bomber
Perhaps I am a pessimist and an a-hole, but the coincidence is a little too much. Why didn't we see the same reaction on the majors board when "Sully" put down in the Hudson? Seems that you would get much more of an outpouring for someone who saved 150 lives than when all are lost when a "commuter" plane goes down.
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