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Koolaidman 02-20-2009 07:13 PM

SOP type Non-precision approach question
 
At your airline, who calls out the Missed Approach Point when it is reached? I never really paid much attention to all of this until I started teaching a class regarding this stuff. At SkyWest, the Non-Flying Pilot does it and I am curious as to who is looking for the runway??? I can't even remember the last time I did one, and have never done one to minimums unless it is in the sim.

Thanks!

wizepilot 02-20-2009 07:34 PM

I do believe the PNF is the one watching for lights and/or runway environment, cuz the PF is supposed to be flying the plane, right? Okay, I know, I'm a smart #ss!

Koolaidman 02-20-2009 07:44 PM

Yeah...

Thanks for answering the question.

Boomer 02-20-2009 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Koolaidman (Post 563915)
At your airline, who calls out the Missed Approach Point when it is reached? I never really paid much attention to all of this until I started teaching a class regarding this stuff. At SkyWest, the Non-Flying Pilot does it and I am curious as to who is looking for the runway??? I can't even remember the last time I did one, and have never done one to minimums unless it is in the sim.

Thanks!

Comair has NFP outside for non-precision approaches.

FP is inside flying the needles.

Blueskies21 02-20-2009 08:11 PM

Pilot not flying/Monitoring is looking for the lights/runway. Pilot Flying will call mins or missed approach point.

Koolaidman 02-20-2009 08:15 PM

That is the way we have it on the ILS, but not the Non-precision. They started using ONLY CANPA's and took the Non-precision out of the SOP completely. Then they realized that some airports it wasn't a good idea to use CANPA's so they re-instated the basic, non-precision approach. Having the NFP call "Missed Approach Point" has go to be a typo. Thanks for the responses.

marco 02-20-2009 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Koolaidman (Post 563915)
At your airline, who calls out the Missed Approach Point when it is reached?

K-man,

Here on the B757/767 at UPS the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Minimums" to which the Pilot Flying responds with either "Landing, Continuing or Go-Around." Upon reaching the Missed Approach Point the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Missed Approach/No Runway." The Pilot Flying responds with "Go-Around." This is right out of our AOM.

mark

cgtpilot 02-20-2009 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by marco (Post 563983)
K-man,

Here on the B757/767 at UPS the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Minimums" to which the Pilot Flying responds with either "Landing, Continuing or Go-Around." Upon reaching the Missed Approach Point the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Missed Approach/No Runway." The Pilot Flying responds with "Go-Around." This is right out of our AOM.

mark

With a few verbiage changes ditto at JB. The only time its an issue for us though is in the sim during AQP recurrents. I have never done one on the line down to even MVFR.

Boomer 02-20-2009 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 563945)
Comair has NFP outside for non-precision approaches.

By that, I mean the NFP is looking outside and will make one of the following calls:

1) Go visual
2) Approach lights continue (to be followed by 1 or 3)
3) Go missed

Of course either guy can call missed approach for any reason, but in a textbook non-precision approach it will be the NFP.

USMCFLYR 02-20-2009 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by wizepilot (Post 563929)
I do believe the PNF is the one watching for lights and/or runway environment, cuz the PF is supposed to be flying the plane, right? Okay, I know, I'm a smart #ss!

Somehow I've mananged to do both at the same time ;)

USMCFLYR


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